Discussion in 'Other Rec Aircraft' started by seb7701, Nov 25, 2014.
So the manufacturer's designed MTOW doesn't technically supersede the RAA max? Well there you go!
My understanding is the opposite of this.
The manufacturers designed MTOW is dominant, up to the maximum allowed for RAA.
So if the design MTOW is 490 kgs that is the max it can go to.
If the Design MTOW is 650kgs then it can go to the RAA max of 600kg.
For a home built kit where you provide 51% then the MTOW is whatever you want it to be up to the RAA max (this info from Raa Aus). If you buy a ready built, or get someone to build it for you then you are limited to the manufacturers limit of 490kg. The 51% build makes it your aircraft and you can do, and change, as you please. The stall speed for my aircraft is 26 to 28kts. I have 300hrs on the frame with no problems. I have enlarged the fuel tanks so they take 90lts total which makes long cross country flights more feasible. With the larger fuel tanks full but without the pilot, the weight is still only 300kg. (as opposed to 276kg with full standard tanks). Geoff, I double checked the facts with Raa Aus and no problems for an "AMATEUR BUILT !" 19 Reg aircraft.
Cool no worries thank you for that. I must admit that I have only been looking at buying second hand so that would explain the different perception.
Just to be clear I'm not saying you can't set your MTOW higher for your self built aircraft what I am saying is if you choose to fly grossly over your particular aircraft designers MTOW limit make sure you fully understand the potential ramifications because an RAA paperwork shuffle doesn't automatically make an airframe stronger
100% correct. I agree and responsibility is paramount. I could have listed this as 600kg but that would have been stupid. The agent quoted 544kg, and I have seen nothing to change that. I do not regularly fly anywhere near MTOW but its there if needed.
Hi, what's the glide like if there was an engine out?
Would it be possible to do a bit or feeling the air - by which I mean some basic thermalling in this type of aircraft (of course all legal with engine running)
I've only been for a short fly in an XAir and the owner pilot did make the landing approach a at fairly steep angle.
glide ratio quoted at 8.1 at 48kts. this would be pretty close to the mark. large wings also help when ridge soaring...
That link just doesn't work !
They have changed the website so that may be the problem. Strange that the Xair, with floats fitted is rated higher than a standard equiped aircraft. Re the 618 equiped Xair, they do travel a little faster but the motor problems with the reed valves and support from the factory make these a little sus. The Xair Falcon, with a 618 does have a speed advantage but this aircraft definitely does not need flaps and the one I flew from Vic to NSW was not the best handling machine. That may have been the setup. The standard seems to be the pick of them.
Hi folks, I bought an X-air F model yesterday from a good friend of mine in snow covered Indiana, but I'll wait till it thaws out up there before I leave our nice 80 degree sky ranch, down here 80 miles east of El Paso, Texas, to go fetch it. I hear that the aspect ratio on the F model is different from the standard, is that true that it has less wingspan, and is a couple of knots faster?
The X Air Standard has a 9.8 metre wingspan. The F has a wingspan of 10.05 metres, so the F has a slightly higher wingspan.
Furthermore, the X Air Standard stalls at 26 knots (30 mph) while the F stalls at 27 knots (31 mph) no flaps and 23 knots (27 mph) with flaps.
The cruise speeds are also different: 56 knots (65 mph) for the Standard and 59 knots (68 mph) for the X Air F. <---these are for the Rotax 582.
There doesn't seem to be that much difference really.
Thanks. I know that I am going to enjoy it, as I will be able to have my sweetie pie in the plane with me, able to see over the panel, something not possible in my 1940 Taylorcraft. I was curious what the numbers were. I'm glad that it has a BETTER aspect ratio, (Can't help it, I'm also a high performance Glider pilot, that's me on the left in the photo, next to the ASK-21 that I had just climbed out of).
My X-Air finished at 259kg empty with headsets, ipad, aera 500 and performance I very happy with, Just finished flying the 25 test hours and happy to have the just received my full rego on 4th.
been to wet and windy to push it to fly lately but having a ball :) X country endorsement is my next goal...
My version is a little up to the standard weight having the new gloss skins and the mods I made to suit me being a wheelchair pilot, extra wide entry and a center rudder / throttle control etc and flies like a gem...
I will post an update soon on a new design wood prop to compare the performance with the bolly on it now
My brother filmed me having some fun before all the rain soaked my runway..
The only disadvantage I found with wooden props is the bad habit wood props have or turning into paddlepop sticks when flying through rain squalls. Composite props dont have that problem, but if wet weather flying aint going to happen then the new wooden one could be interesting.
yes true about the weather, did you have a wood on yours at first?
No, I bought a new 3 blade composite Australian made in Queensland (brolga) but the manufacturer was bought out by Bolly. I believe there is nothing wrong with the wooden ones, I just have never owned one (but a mate had one on his single seater pup for a while.
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