What do I need to do to become an L2?

[Bubbleboy]

Hi all....im sitting here going through the forums and am wondering what has to be done to become an L2? What training is needed and what prerequisites are there? Does it need to be done full time or can you do part time study? I assume you would need a place to gain your practical.

 

I have always been keen to look into it but never got off my backside to find out. Im building my own plane and engine so maybe its time to look in to it?

 

Any help and advice would be appreciated.

 

Scotty i_dunno

 

 

[dazza 38]

HI mate, to keep it short, i worked on F111,s for nine years and tornadoes for 2 years as a aircraft technician, i dont make the grade, and rightly so. I dont know much about piston engines apart from motor bikes or fabric etc. Jets engines im OK with.LOL

 

You have to get experience, working on ultralight A/c, and have it logged, you need to be have qty 2 recommendations from qty 2 L2 maintence holders.To get started.Things have changed lately, i think most L2,s are restricted.Best to PM Ross "Major Millard" he will help you mate.He knows his stuff.

 

PS- I could get my restricted L2, after with my experience, but i couldnt be arsed, lol

 

 

[Bubbleboy]

Thanks Dazza...will do some further investigation!

 

Scotty :thumb_up:

 

 

[facthunter]

Being an L2.

 

They don't want numbers. They want people who will have a lot of "entries" in their log book and not just have the title for bragging rights or looking after their own aircraft. I understand this point of view and support it. I am sure there are a lot of people out there who would easily qualify for the L2 classification but it is a bit like being a CFI. You can only be one when the FTF that you run exists. You can't just sit there being a CFI IF you don't operate a Flying Training Facility. Does that make sense? Nev

 

 

[Bubbleboy]

Hi Nev...yes..im picking up what your putting down. I certainly dont take these things lightly and have better things to do with my time, like building planes, than do courses just for "bragging rights".

 

I have certs in motorcycle mechanics & small engine repairs. Have always worked on cars and all kinds of engines. Have built & flown large scale radio control aircraft. To be honest I wish I had of pursued being an Aircraft engineer many years ago. I have a lot of diagnostic tools & I am now building from scratch, my own aircraft and engine and have found there is little in the way of Level 2 folk in my area and thought by pursuing something like this, I could help myself with my own build as well as provide a helpful service to the many ultralight owners and flyers around my area.

 

Anyway im not here to justify my desire, I have wasted enough time over my life listening to people who like telling me I cant or shouldnt do something, just was asking what the requirements were. I have since spoken to another friend who has answered this and I have found some info on the RAA site.

 

Scotty :thumb_up:

 

 

[facthunter]

Similarity.

 

BB you would not believe how much I identify with what you say. It is not a queston of what you can do and are capable of, but what YOU want to do and whether what you want to do fits in with the concepts/ structure out there. Read up all the requirements . Is that all for you? There would always be a way of you doing what you want to do on your plane and having it supervised. You just have to be involved with the right people with the right understanding . If you want to be an L2 that is a commitment that you might not really want. Nev

 

 

[dazza 38]

As Nev, has said, commitment etc. I have been getting ultralight experience, under supervision over the last couple of years.I dont mean basics, like lockwiring, mechanical skills etc, did that for 12 years. I have Just been helping out, because i do miss working on a/c.Since i have been a excavator operator and commercial Pool Plumber for the last 10 years. I do all my own maintence on the excavator.The difference i have found, is that when i worked on jets, when learning, you always had a group of technicians, with experience, to ask advice, if the maintenance manual was a bit lacking in information. Every Job, we had to carry out, is by the Book.When you have completed a task, you sign off, in accordance with the publication you used to complete the task.

 

The reason i have brought this up is because, even though ultralight, are less complicated, some of the maintence manuals (airframe), lack alot of information.In this situation, its not like the RAAF, were there a heaps of guys, to ask etc.You will be generaly be by yourself.This has happened , where guys thought they knew what they were doing, and didnt, i mean a particular airframe, they maybe havent worked on that before.Probably more to the point, they werent sure, didnt know who to ask, Eg- other experienced L2,s, or the manufacturer. Then decided to go ahead anyway, with the best intentions, but damaging things.

 

I personaly do not have the Time, to commit,I would become a L2, after jumping through the hoops, and getting up to speed.If i decided full time to go back to working on aircraft full time. I hope this helps.

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

To sign somebody off for an unlimited L2 rating on ULs they should posess a considerable amount of time working on, building, servicing and operating ULs IMOP.

 

I have consistantly opposed the RAAus policy of handing out unlimited L2s to GA LAMES who on the whole, would have trouble even identifying most common ULs in the field.

 

This policy has, and will cause problems in the future, as it has in the past.

 

Example: When the Gazzelle came on the scene it was aimed at GA flying schools, and many were operated by them. As there were also GA aircraft in the fleets, GA LAMES began maintaining the 912s therein. They started servicing the 912s with GA style aero oil against specific and clear instructions in the 912 operators manual, to not do so. Several gearboxes and engines were destroyed in the process. This happened because they on the whole had very little or no previous UL experience.

 

Come and show me you have a considerable amount of overall experience with ULs in respect to the above, and I would be more than happy to recommend you for the rating. .........................................................Maj...

 

 

[storchy neil]

what a bloodey pity this thead had not come up sooner as had to take a thread of here as the person that sexed my plane threatened me he was a l 2 and a lames maj you are write to many l 2 handed out just remember to have a good insurance if you fix your mates plane as a l 2 and be prepared for a long battle to get your plan write

 

i had oh xxxx momet on the 9 9 07 plane still not flying because of the repair job neil

 

 

[Ultralights]

i have worked on everything from 747's F18 Hornets, Seahawks and Sea Kings, even got some Concorde experience in my logbook, but sadly nothing with a piston engine or weighing less than 10 tonnes. no chance of L2 for me.