Which type of licence / endorcements would I require ??

[justinm001]

hi

 

 

[justinm001]

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[Guest Wigg]

Hi Justin, Welcome to the forums . This is a great place to meet loads of great people, all very friendly & all quite knowledgable. I see you fly out of Moorabbin is that correct? Have you thought of taking a trip over to Williamstown & speaking with the pilot over there that does the anphibian joy flights? He maybe able to fill you in on what you need & what catergory the anphibian planes come under. Just a suggestion. Enjoy your flying & the Seamax looks like a great plane. Cheers Wigg

 

 

[Guest davidh10]

wasnt expecting a quick reply at 12:30am... thanks :)Im currently doing PPL... once that is completed could i somehow use that for the RA stuff ? ...

All your PPL endorsements count for RA Aus, but you do need to do cross certification for RA-Aus (the aircraft are much lighter and have less momentum than GA types, so handle differently, albeit that the principles are the same) and the appropriate certifications for the aircraft type.

 

Sorry, I don't know anything about the aircraft you mentioned.

 

 

[Guest Wigg]

Very futuristic sleek looking design I like it.

 

 

[justinm001]

yeah im learning on the piper atm but after i saw the seamax it seemed to appeal to me alot more than any of the GA/RA planes.

 

landing on water is where its at !!! plus the safety aspect isnt bad either.

 

Thanks for the tip on the pilot down in williamstown. Might check it out.

 

In regards to the rego.. i found a picture of one that i think is in QLD. The rego is 24-72XX (xx being 2 numbers..). Im assuming thats RA ?

 

 

[Guest Wigg]

what school are you with?

 

 

[justinm001]

hehe just checked out the Icon i like i like.

 

When they say LSA... does that always mean RA ? Like what category would the Icon be in? Sorry for all the basic questions, im just getting into this RA stuff.. 30 mins ago :P

 

 

[Guest Wigg]

yes 24 prefix is RA just had a look at a pic of our plane. who are you with at YMMB

 

 

[justinm001]

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[Guest Wigg]

Yes John(Wigg) & myself (Sue) both flew at Tristar next door to where you are. We are currently repairing our Skyfox which was damaged at the International air show 2009.

 

 

[justinm001]

aah yip i think Tristar is right next to MFS. Im usually there on sundays.

 

when you say "our skyfox" do you mean you own it :) ?? I'll await for your reply before i barrage you with questions.. :)

 

 

[Guest Wigg]

Yes we own it & have it home here in our back yard. Which side of the city are you from? You are more than welcome to come over & have a look if you want. We are in Rowville.

 

 

[HEON]

The Sea Max would need the same RAA endorcements as the Super Petrel LS I import www.superpetrelaustralia.com

 

They are: pilots certificate, cross country, radio, human factors, high performance, retractable undercarrage, water hull and inflight adjustable prop (if fitted).

 

Most of these would be credited via your PPL except probably the latter ones.

 

As well as these two, there are two other light amphibians (water hull) available in Australia, Sea Ray and a version of the Colyaer.

 

 

[justinm001]

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[justinm001]

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[FlyingVizsla]

Hi Justin,

 

The 24 refers to what part of the legislation it falls into for RAAus aircraft (it is not GA but might be able to be registered GA). On this website, go to Aircraft, then Aircraft types and there is a description of each category. Things you may have to consider are flying in controlled airspace (need a certified engine etc with RAA aircraft). You also need a boat licence for amphibians. Seamax was a sponsor for our Northern fly-in at Monto Qld so I got to have a look at them. Unfortunately water to land on is in short supply in the outback or I would be drooling a bit more. There are people who live happily with amphibians. There was one at the airpark at Pacific Haven Qld - don't know what happened but the house is for sale on realestate.com.au - there is a picture of the amphibian in the hangar. It would have been a great life, but I can't convince the Pilot in Command to take it up - he says he hates sand flies.

 

Sue

 

 

[HEON]

Regarding the cost of Super Petrel LS this is not the location to go into that justinm001. Look at my web site or email me at [email protected]

 

As a general comment to forum users the price of the Sea Max and definitely the Super Petrel is more than competitively to similary equiped imported Rotax powered aircraft with the bonus of amphibious capacity. Statements made in high hundred thousands is misleading as it is for fully equiped aircraft with lots of toys that make for instance Tecnam's around the same price.

 

A Petrel with two Dynons, autopilot, BRS, inflight adjustable prop, full Garmin GPS/radio/transponder, heater, strobe/nav lights, fly away Warwick (in otherwords the lot!) would be less than the figure quoted earlier.

 

 

[HEON]

Quickly BlackRod, Super Petrel wings not foldable or quickly detachable. On land easier to land than Jab 160, and not real different than LightWing Speed (low wing) except stall lower thus slower over fence. Still nose up on landing...on water you fly it on.

 

 

[justinm001]

hmmm so you can actualy decide if you want to register the plane as either GA or RA ?

 

 

[FlyingVizsla]

GA or RAA registered - it is one of the weird things in the industry that an aircraft, like a factory built Jabiru can be either GA or RAA - built to the same standard, but needing a different licence or certificate to fly. There are schools that teach both the RAA certificate and the PPL. To cut costs you do the RAA certificate on a RAA registered plane, then convert and finish the PPL in the GA registered aircraft at a higher cost per hour due to the regulations. Seems odd to have two aircraft, identical twins, but one has numbers and the other letters on the tail.

 

Sue

 

 

[justinm001]

wow I didnt relise that was the case at all. I thought RAA must be because the plane is lighter.

 

Kinda makes me wish I researched it abit more before starting :P

 

 

[HEON]

GA or RA Aus rego? I think that RA Aus would prove the cheaper in the long run for rego as owners can do their own maintenance. The requirements for GA Exp owners maintenance is in the process of being tightened up although I do not know all the facts. Can someone enlighten us on the requirements?

 

In RA Aus cost of (initial) rego is more for LSA than UL. The type acceptance for the Super Petrel is UL or LSA for identical aircraft as makers MTOW is 600kg (280kg payload) thus allowed 614/650kg not applicable. If you look at the conditions of LSA, you would choose UL if possible for same aircraft. Some manifactures may charge more for a LSA over a UL due to the liability issues on LSA's.

 

If LSA, MTOW is same in GA and RA Aus.

 

The small number of RA Aus registable aircraft on GA register indercates to me that most feel that RA Aus is the way to go if possible.