Gyro help

[NWpilot]

Hello All,

 

As some of you would know i am a keen Trike, and 3 axis pilot, in the RAAus world and GA.

 

I think it is time for me to start a new chapter, Yep you guessed it GYRO's.

 

I have located a couple of old school gyro's, the type with the seat as the fuel tank, unfortunately they were involved in a crash a few years back and the current owners are now to scared to go near them. I was thinking about buying what parts are left and having a go at rebuiling one, (out of the two gyros i should be able to get one)

 

I am not sure if many people still fly these types of machines, or if anyone is able to let me know about any known traps in picking up Crashed Gyro frames, etc.

 

They were flying with 582's on them.

 

I can get photos if anyone would be able have a look and let me know if i am just wasting my money, or think i could salvage them.

 

When and if i get one up and recertified. i will go and learn how to fly it. (maybe) haha

 

any advise is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

 

[Guest Tsemler]

Hi NW,

 

 

My opinion (from just building a new gyro) is Don’t bother (and if they are true old school gyro's they will more than likely kill the inexperienced in a second), If your keen on a gyro buy a second hand one but do your research first, to build or rebuild one you need some key knowledge about how gyro's work.

 

 

Your last comment about not getting training... well you'll just add to our fatality statistics... enough said.

 

 

Im sure Bones will see this and will be able to give you some more advice... Being an instructor.

 

 

Check the below sites out for more technical Info

 

 

Hope Ian Doesn’t mind me posting the below links:

 

 

http://www.asra.org.au/smf/index.php

 

 

http://www.rotaryforum.com/

 

Good Luck Gyro's are a whole new world of aviation.

 

Trent

 

 

[NWpilot]

G'day Tsemler,

 

sorry about my post i should explain what i was meaning when i said "when i get it up and recertified i will go and learn how to fly it (maybe)

 

what it should read is, when i get it up and recertified, if i get up enough courage, i will get lessons on how to fly a gyro, at this stage it was just to build one then sell it or even give it to someone that can fly one.

 

anyone that knows me, knows that i think a gyro or chopper is a million parts all wanting to go in different directions and every landing is a controlled crash (that is just my opinion) (dont want to upset anyone but thats just me)

 

I do have a bit of knowledge of how gyro's work, and have been around a fair few aircraft over the last 25 years to understand them.

 

I am looking for another challenge in life and thought getting a broken aircraft back in the air would be a good thing for me to tackle.

 

I apologise if i have upset anyone with my comment on the training side, but i hope this post has cleared that up.

 

I will email bones for more info,

 

Cheers,

 

at no stage would i ever dare to fly any aircraft that i did not have training on, that is just straight out stupid.

 

 

[Guest Tsemler]

No Worries NW just that there have been too many fatalities in the past that should of never happened.

 

If you decide to rebuild the broken gyro the man to talk about gyro parts and materials is Ross Symes of Broken Hill he'll send ya whatever you need. I'll PM ya his number along with a contact for someone in WA ya should talk to.

 

Cheers

 

Trent

 

 

[farri]

When and if i get one up and recertified. i will go and learn how to fly it. (maybe) haha, any advise is greatly appreciated.Thanks

G`Day NW pilot,

 

A guy who was one of my students, had obtained his AUF pilot certificate with me and was very skillfull in the Drifter,also owned a Gyro.

 

He was dertimined to teach himself to fly his Gyro and was killed on my strip attempting to do so.

 

Make sure you get some professional instruction,it`s not a joking matter.

 

All the best,

 

Frank.

 

 

[Guest NeilB]

Hi farri,

 

"He was dertimined to teach himself to fly his Gyro and was killed on my strip attempting to do so."

 

Do you mean he had NO/insufficient instruction?

 

I am interested to know if gyros are inherently safe (stable)

 

Is the "push over" hazzard still there? to be under control. Or are they "old grey mares" and not brumbys?

 

thanks,

 

Neil

 

 

[farri]

Hi farri,Do you mean he had NO/insufficient instruction? Neil, The way I understand it is ,when this accident happened instructors were few and far between and if an instructor was found,the instruction was mainly given on a glider Gyro,towed behind a car or other vehicle.

 

What I mean is that this guy was trying to teach himself to fly the machine he crashed.

 

I can`t comment on the safety of Gyros because I just don`t know.

 

Frank.

[sseeker]

Hello All,As some of you would know i am a keen Trike, and 3 axis pilot, in the RAAus world and GA.

I think it is time for me to start a new chapter, Yep you guessed it GYRO's.

 

I have located a couple of old school gyro's, the type with the seat as the fuel tank, unfortunately they were involved in a crash a few years back and the current owners are now to scared to go near them. I was thinking about buying what parts are left and having a go at rebuiling one, (out of the two gyros i should be able to get one)

 

I am not sure if many people still fly these types of machines, or if anyone is able to let me know about any known traps in picking up Crashed Gyro frames, etc.

 

They were flying with 582's on them.

 

I can get photos if anyone would be able have a look and let me know if i am just wasting my money, or think i could salvage them.

 

When and if i get one up and recertified. i will go and learn how to fly it. (maybe) haha

 

any advise is greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks

Hi,

 

I suggest you come up to Bindoon one weekend. There's a load of gyros up there. If you're interested I can get you the phone number of a guy who does training (I think) at Bindoon. It's about 100km North of Perth CBD. There's a fixed wing school but I'm not sure about the gyro operations, although I'm sure there's a gyro school as well. The fixed wing a/c for hire are: J160C/D, Gazelle CA25N and a Skyfox CA25 but I can't say anything about the gyros as I'm not really involved with them.

 

Let me know.

 

-Andrew

 

 

[Russ]

Need to jump in here.................way back them days, there was no such animal as a 2 seater powered gyro. 2 seat gyro gliders were it.

 

newbies found it near on impossible to source a glider as they were spread far and wide.

 

It was then in the main.....................self taught piloting.

 

As a consequence, bingles were common place. Couple these accidents with poor design, under power, etc etc............we were dropping like flies.

 

This particular incident i know full well.............he purchased my gyro, it was a proven safe machine, i had done big hrs on it. We relocated to NT, this chap some months later decided to fly himself ( zero training )..........the rest is history.

 

We have progressed big time, since those dark ages. "Standards" for machines, and good training is compulsory, comparing the early times with "now" is comparing apples to oranges.

 

"PIO.....PPO" are no longer on everybodies lips. Machines are now performing beautifully, some cruising 80.......100 kts, more and more builders are coming online with great factory built, turn key machines.

 

2 seat machines are ranging from $65k...........$120k, fully enclosed or tandems etc.

 

Gyroing is surging thanks to the "now" machines.

 

russ

 

 

[farri]

Russ,you`re spot on with what you`ve said.

 

Another of my Drifter students,lives on the Atherton tablelands now ( I think you would know who he is ) had a gyro and became a very good Gyro pilot,he also had a Drifter at that time.

 

Today he has a fully enclosed,side by side seating,state of the art Gyro,worth over a $100.000 I`m told,I`ve had a look at it but I don`t remember what it`s called.

 

He`d be in his mid seventies now, has a fixed wing 3 axis licence and still loves to fly the gyro.

 

Thanks for the info,I never knew that the crashed machine belonged to you initally,I learnt after the accident that he`d crashed it elsewhere a couple of times,repaired it and continued to try.

 

Cheers,

 

Frank.

 

 

[Russ]

keep that strip mowed, intend dropping in soon................russ

 

Side note............have just returned from a "CASA" funded ASRA instructors get together. 2 day get together of all gyro instructors Oz wide. The seminar was in part, upskilling instructors in identifying methods of understanding newbies and training methods..........plus a lot more. breaking into small groups and given different incidence scinareos, then presenting our investigations to cause, followed by how to avoid repeats. yes............a great 2 days.

 

This "format" is a first for CASA, am hearing it may well flow on to others.............hope so.

 

BTW..........the chap you are speaking of here has a Zenon gyro ...............nice machine alright.

 

 

 

[bones]

G'day Tsemler, sorry about my post i should explain what i was meaning when i said "when i get it up and recertified i will go and learn how to fly it (maybe)

what it should read is, when i get it up and recertified, if i get up enough courage, i will get lessons on how to fly a gyro, at this stage it was just to build one then sell it or even give it to someone that can fly one.

 

anyone that knows me, knows that i think a gyro or chopper is a million parts all wanting to go in different directions and every landing is a controlled crash (that is just my opinion) (dont want to upset anyone but thats just me)

 

I do have a bit of knowledge of how gyro's work, and have been around a fair few aircraft over the last 25 years to understand them.

 

I am looking for another challenge in life and thought getting a broken aircraft back in the air would be a good thing for me to tackle.

 

I apologise if i have upset anyone with my comment on the training side, but i hope this post has cleared that up.

 

I will email bones for more info,

 

Cheers,

 

at no stage would i ever dare to fly any aircraft that i did not have training on, that is just straight out stupid.

NW, there is good advise above here, look up the club over there, seek out Adrian Stoffels, he has a weath of advise for some one starting out.

 

Sorry been away for awhile this is why i not replied ealier.