what's that beeping?

[hihosland]

[Guest Maj Millard]

Gee, It appears that same thing may have happened at Bowen Airport yesterday ! A single engined Cessna was on the runway at point of touchdown on it's belly.........beeping, what's that beeping ????? your gear warning horn instigated by a power reduction with the gear up !.......................................Maj...

 

"there are those that have...and those who are about to !"

 

 

[vme]

It is a real problem as ANR headsets become more efficient. I find that I cannot hear the stall warning sound and only just detect GPS beeps. GPS is easily fixed by wiring it into the audio, but don't know about the stall horn. Have made it a practice to turn ANR off for takeoff and landing.

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

Lots of accidents have happened that way one pilot thinks the other one has got it....nobody has got it !!.........................................................Maj...

 

 

[Guest Mark Mac]

Does anybody know if perhaps that was a deliberate 'wheels up', seems like the cameraman was prepared for it?

 

 

[Ultralights]

thats the story i have heard as well, that the aircraft had suffered a gear failure and the gear up landing was inevitable

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

I really doubt if you would want to do that deliberatly, just too expensive unless you were a millionaire. I'd suggest that the passenger in the rear seat was just videoing what probabily just a pleasure flight (to a point !) It's a nice bit of video by the way with great audio. I think the fact that he slaps the dash after the touch down shows that it wasn't deliberate or a know gear failure.

 

Most wheels up landings are the result of distractions, or simple brain lock which appears to be the case in this one. It dosen't appear that the pilot did any late pre-landing final checks either, which may have detected the gear-up position or questioned the annoying horn going off. Infamilularity with the machine can also be a cause. It appears to me that the pilot just got locked into showing how well he could do a quick, steep and short landing approach ?................................................Maj...

 

 

[naremman]

naremman

 

Very early on in my in my training my instructor introduced me to old adage of: "there are only two types of pilots. Those who have, and those who are about to".

 

This video is graphic evidence of two pilots making the transition!

 

 

[facthunter]

Those who have ..etc.

 

I have to say that I am starting to find that oft stated phrase somewhat irksome. First of all.... it is not true by a long way... and It implies a certain inevitability which we just should not accept. It is always a POSSIBILITY but the way you operate will go a long way to stop this sort of thing happening to you. Essential actions should be double checked and avoid distractions at vital times. This is why we do human factors so we don't fall into these traps. " i THOUGHT you CHECKED THE FUEL CAP"...( i DIDN'T CHECK THE "cAPS" kEY). Nev

 

 

[dazza 38]

Does anybody know if perhaps that was a deliberate 'wheels up', seems like the cameraman was prepared for it?

Thats what i heard.Looks that way to me.To they where to calm,whilst sliding down the runway.I think hitting the instrument comb, was more out of frustration of the a/c letting him down rather than, forgetting to drop the gear.IMO.It is hard to tell though.

 

 

[frank marriott]

Maybe of interest to someone--

 

A quick check on short finals after all your normal prelanding checks are done -

 

Red

 

Blue

 

Green

 

Red - Mixture

 

Blue - Pitch

 

Green - Gear down or welded.

 

A simple and quick double check on three important points for landing.

 

Everyone has their own prelanding checks and/or list etc - This is just one I came across many years ago and liked it and continue to use it today in every type of aircraft I fly. If you like it use it, if not just forget it, too easy.

 

Frank

 

 

[Spin]

Very poor planning if it was deliberate (due to a gear problem)...wats the point of destroying the prop and an engine strip down and rebuild!....

Ha ha, that's a whole new argument there, I've seen pilots all but come to blows discussing the merits of shutting down the motor(s) in the event of a gear failure - and these were CPLs and ATP's, not weekend warriors. In fact there is a variation on the theme quite high up the ladder on the prune at the moment.:black_eye:

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

Even the best trained and best diciplined pilots can, and have done it, as demonstrated by the crew of the US Air force B1-B Bomber that wheeled up on Diago Garcia earlier this year. Additionally since my current association with amphib float planes I have seen two experienced professional pilots land back on land gear- up. Even with often sophistocated warning systems to warn pilots, the weakest link is still the pilot..........................................Maj...

 

 

[Yenn]

In the good old days of DCA running aviation, two of the top check pilots were doing circuits in the DCA jet and they had muted the gear horn. Guess what, they did a wheels up landing. That was in the late sixties I think.

 

 

[Methusala]

Years ago while doing ab-initio training at a nearby gliding club I was flying a Blanik with a club instructor in the back. While in the air the wind changed due to arrival of the "sea breeze front" at about 1600hrs. The instructor took over..."My aircraft!", while on downwind. I wondered whether because he was an instructor he didn't need to call his FUST check. We of course landed wheel up and of course he blamed me!

 

(F-flaps, U-undercarriage, S-speed, T-trim)

 

It can happen to anyone especially while distracted. Regards, Don