Plane crashes in Sydney backyard

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/plane-crashes-in-sydney-backyard/story-e6freooo-1225975328090

[motzartmerv]

Looks like the curtis plane.

 

 

[farri]

Looks like a pretty good landing........Well done.

 

Frank.

 

 

[tvaner]

They got to walk away from it. That's great.

 

 

[Spin]

Pretty good result considering, I know I'd rather be trying to dead stick an RA type instead of a much heavier twin with only one reluctant donkey in harness. Wonder what went wrong, those machines can normally drag themselves a bit further away from the earth particularly if at less than max weight.

 

As CFI said, that's some backyard - makes better headlines than "plane crash lands on semi rural property outside Sydney" I guess.

 

 

[Spin]

Found this pearl of wisdom on ninemsn;

 

A student pilot practising stall manoeuvres lost control and sent the plane plummeting to earth......

 

"The plane stopped then they tried to restart it again then it just came down," Ms Watson told AAP.

 

 

[dazza 38]

Its great to see that nobody was seriously injured.

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

Just have to love that phrase "plummeting to earth " !!! Did a hell a lot of it when I was a skydiver, but I generally manage to avoid it as a pilot...Good to hear that all are well after their, well....plummet.............Maj...

 

 

[old man emu]

1. The plane was Curtis Aviation's.

 

2. Rob Marshall was the Instructor. He's hurt his back - probably a compression injury.

 

3. The landing was in an area of 5 acre blocks which run down to the flood plain of the Nepean River. That's why there's none of the usual outer suburban eave-to-eave housing.

 

4. They went down virtually on the centreline extension of the active runway (06)

 

5. It's been suggested that they were practising engine-out on takeoff.

 

Now there will probably be a hue and cry to close Camden Airport because of the danger to surrounding housing (which belongs to the JOhnny-come-latelys.

 

OME

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Glad Rob and student are ok. 06 upwind has a hill under it, would have to have been off to the right of the centerline hey emu?, theres no open areas straight out.

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Mmmm.. Got ya snorkel??..;)

 

 

[motzartmerv]

.. I choose not to answer that question on the grounds i may incriminate myself.

[Mazda]

I'm really pleased that Rob and student are OK. Best wishes to Rob for a speedy recovery from his back injury.

 

Old Man Emu, there already appears to be an anti-Camden lobby and this will only add to it, but there is no way we can let anything happen to that airport.

 

 

[motzartmerv]

I will chain myself to the windsock.......

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Naked....if i have to.

 

 

[motzartmerv]

The primary windsock too. Not that poxxy one in the corner that always points in the opposite direction to the main one.

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

Motz, Your offer is most impressive in the face of adversary. However we must sincerely request that the clothing be left on, we are trying to attain a victory here, not give the neighbors a fit of laughter from which they would probabily not recover............Maj...

 

 

[HEON]

Never have I lamented the lack of female pilots as much as now, if the best we can do with chains is to use a bloke!

 

 

[IanR]

Motz's suggestion would certainly keep the aircraft away !!

 

 

[facthunter]

Motz.

 

I thought he was pretty busy. now we find he has nothing on. Nev

 

 

[dazza 38]

I thought he was pretty busy. now we find he has nothing on. Nev

 

 

[Deskpilot]

Getting back to the crash, do they really switch off the engine to practice engines failures in GA. If so, it's a bloody foolish thing to do in my option. Close the throttle, yes, but switch it off all together, only if you're over clear space and at a height sufficient to restart a 'reluctant donkey'.

 

 

[facthunter]

Assy practice.

 

There has been plenty of discussion on this matter over the years Get below VMc (a) and not have much height under you is no place to be. The only way to maintain directional controll is to close the other throttle. this means that you are coming down fast but at least under control .

 

People end up getting killed learning how to avoid getting killed. Happens to the big ones too. A TAA viscount went in at mangalore on training the same way. Only one got out of that and he saw it coming and went further down the back of the aircraft.

 

It's not allowed at night. Simulators have removed the need for actual flight practice as with full motion they replicate the real situaton very accurately..

 

I did training on the DC-4 and not content with one engine failure they would give you TWO both on the same side and at just above the minimum control speeds for one and two engines out respectively. 76 and 101 knots if I remember correctly.

 

How bloody silly was that? You would wish you had not got out of bed that day if that happened in reality.

 

The engine(s) should NOT be shut down and normally they are set to zero thrust AFTER the shut down drills have been run through (verbally), to simulate the feathered condition. Some checkies shut the engine down on the mixture lever as it is not so obvious to the pilot flying. I don't think this is recommended and I don't know what the current CASA thinking is. This could be practised at height as far as the flying is concerned but you still need the ground roll situation to cover.

 

AFTER V1 (Decision speed) , you continue the takeoff on a length limited runway ( accelerate-stop),and you have to reach "blue line" speed which gives rudder authority and also a margin above stall.The climb performance is very marginal at near max AUW. so the whole thing is pretty dangerous/critical. Do it in the simulator, and live.... Nev

 

 

[Mazda]

Motz the naked thing on the windsock has been done at CN before. At night. Then someone flew in and turned on the lights ...

 

But if Camden is ever threatened I might join you there on the windsock.

 

When I did my twin training we did have to completely shut down and feather an engine, but this was only ever done at altitude. When in the circuit area we had to set "zero thrust" which a simulated failure. Both engines stayed running.

 

However there are serious controllability issues with twins on one engine, and yes getting below Vmca doesn't leave options open.

 

 

[old man emu]

I will chain myself to the windsock.......

Oh! I thought that the last time was your Buck's Night