What to study after BAK manual and flight training manual?

[ben87r]

Firstly sorry if this has already been covered, had a look but couldnt come up with much.

 

So I've been doing a fair amount of study at home as I'm about to finish off my time in bulk this time as last time life got in the way and now 12mnts later i get to go back to it

 

I've got 10 hrs up in a J120 (although I'm sure i will have to redo most of it) and have read the ATC flying manual and BAK, and i will be going on to do my PPL after my RA Cert,

 

so basicly im not sure what else i have to study. Do i now read Bob Taits PPL book or is that the same as the BAK? Should i be reading any books on NAV, Flight Radio ect ect And if so what to you reccomend? I have also done a fair bit on the net but would rather read a book.

 

I haven't had a chance to get down to my new school yet to have a chat but would like to keep on going and any thoughts/experiences would be great!

 

Ben

 

 

[Ryanm]

Hi Ben

 

The BAK book only provides the theory needed to pass the BAK exam, which is needed to pass the GA GFPT. This doesnt include weather, navigation or performance. The PPL theory books add to the knowledge learnt from the BAK and included these topics (plus more). I would highly recommend the Bob Tait theory books! Once you can understand everything in the PPL books, you shouldnt have too much trouble passing the RA-Aus exams and your PPL.

 

Good Luck!

 

 

[sseeker]

For BAK the Bob Tait book is great. For Air Law I'd go for the Dyson-Holland RA-Aus pilot cert book (it has BAK, Air Law, Radio, Pre-Solo Air Law etc..) the reason I say this is there's a chance you'll get an RA-Aus related question in your Air Law exam that Bob Tait won't answer. An example question, under what circumstances are you permitted to fly a recreational aeroplane above 5000ft? Then a, b, c etc... The Bob Tait PPL book only covers PPL law, I know most of this is still the case for RA-Aus however the RA-Aus operations manual has a lot of extra rules that they've laid on top of CASAs. If you sit the RA-Aus exams you'll be required to sit the GA exams once you attempt PPL. If you sit the GA BAK exam it can be converted to RA-Aus. The GA BAK exam is harder because it has performance graphs, keeping in mind it's extremely useful to know how to use these graphs properly. If you want to sit the GA BAK exam just study your Bob Tait book, you'll need to sit an air law exam when you go for your RA-Aus certificate. If you sit the GA BAK+PPL exam you won't be required to sit an air law exam. If you've already bought all Bob Tait stuff and you wanna use it, study the BAK book and the PPL book then read the operations manual that's the most important part, the operations manual is your guide book to RA-Aus operations.

 

For the RA-Aus stuff you'll sit these exams:

 

Pre Solo (school based exam, it may be a verbal test)

 

Pre area solo (school based exam, it may be a verbal test)

 

BAK

 

Air Law

 

Radio

 

Human Factors

 

I hope I've been easy to understand. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Best of luck with your exams :big_grin:

 

Regards,

 

Andrew

 

 

[ben87r]

So if i pick up tait's PPL, on top of what ive read i should be right? just a bit confused, My last FTO told be not to even Bother reading the BAK cause he said it was "to over the top", he thought that the flight training manual was enough, but, i went and bought the BAK anyways cause im not out there to ge a "good enough pilot"

 

 

[sseeker]

Ben that's a good attitude to have, never stop learning. Which exams are you going to sit? The RA-Aus bunch or GA BAK+PPL?

 

-Andrew

 

 

[ben87r]

Well im not to sure yet will speak to my instructor, Was thinking GA but not to sure how to go about it as my school dosnt do GA flight instruction but are going to pass me on to complete my PPL when im up to it.Am i able to go to any school to just complete theory? Also i dont think i will do my PPL straight away so i would like to get the theory over and done with while its still fresh

 

 

[sseeker]

Ben,

 

Most schools will allow you to do just theory however you'll need to get yourself an ARN (Aviation Reference Number), this is basically CASAs version of a member number. It's free and they only require a non-certified copy of your birth certificate. You can download the form here: www.casa.gov.au/manuals/regulate/fcl/form1162.pdf

 

Once you have that you should be able to complete the GA BAK, I'm unsure about the PPL exam. My GA instructor told me I'd be able to do it but I've heared of some schools putting restrictions on the exam to say 5 or 10 dual hours. Your RA-Aus hours should be ok for this unless they specifically want GA hours. Once you've passed the GA BAK exam this is suffecient for your RA-Aus certificate however they will still want you to pass Human Factors, Radio and Air Law. If you do both the PPL and BAK exam you shouldn't be required to sit Radio or Air law however you will still need to get the human factors endorsement as I don't think this is taught at PPL level (just some threat and error stuff, no where near as much as RA-Aus teaches.) don't quote me on that though! Keep in mind your instructor may verbally quiz you on top of your paper radio exam.

 

Let me know if you need anything else.

 

-Andrew

 

 

[thebun_88]

I pretty much did the exact same theory as you.

 

ATC for BAK and Flying Training Manual

 

Bob Tait for PPL(A) Day VFR Syllabus

 

2 timed practice exams (first one where my weaknesses are and the second one to confirm that the revision worked and boost confidence!)

 

Did the cyber exam at Archerfield (not even at a school) and passed no problems, so you should be ok. Also, you can't do PPL(A) exam without GA BAK passed and result entered into logbook.

 

 

[Hildy]

I've just passed my RA-Aus BAK/HPL/AL using my instructor's copy of the RA-Aus D-H manual. I think I will buy the D-H PPL set and study that.

 

My new medium term goal is to get some j160 time and then see if I can get a GA school which flies the j160 (I think there is one at YSCN) to let me take the GFPT.

 

 

[Mazda]

If you want to go GA, use the GA books. I used the ATC books and they will be familiar to you if you've used the ATC BAK book. There's not just one book, there are several subjects you need to study.

 

In my view it is imperative to learn all you can, and learn thoroughly. BAK is not over the top at all, it is "Basic" Aeronautical knowledge and further down the track you might need to learn a fair bit more than BAK.

 

One word of warning though. If you want to go on to do your CPL, there are two ways to go. You can do it in 150 hours (cheaper) using an integrated syllabus, or you can do it from 200 hours, without an integrated syllabus. If you think you will do CPL and are considering the 150 hour syllabus, there are specific times in your training when you can do theory exams. If you do them too early, you miss out on the 150 hour syllabus and have to do 200 hours. So make sure you talk to the GA school you want to fly with before you do the exams. If you just want to do PPL there's no problem about when you do the exams.

 

 

[Chrism]

I've just passed my RA-Aus BAK/HPL/AL using my instructor's copy of the RA-Aus D-H manual. I think I will buy the D-H PPL set and study that. My new medium term goal is to get some j160 time and then see if I can get a GA school which flies the j160 (I think there is one at YSCN) to let me take the GFPT.

Hi Hildy,

 

 

Yes there is a school at Camden (Gostner-where I recieved my PC) that is a dual RA/GA establishment-They have both RA and VH- registered J-160s, all with glass cockpits. Being a GA school the RA training is pretty much identical as they would do for GFPT students (as far as I can tell anyway!). I haven't been there for a whiole, but I believe now they have an exemption to send RA students solo in Camden Class D airspace.

 

 

Chris

 

 

[Hildy]

a couple of potentially very silly questions:

 

- does passing the full set of CPL exams count for the PPL, or do you have to pass the PPL theory as well?

 

- if you complete the full set of CPL theory exams within 3 years, is there a certain amount of time after that before they expire, if you don't get your CPL?

 

(eg if I somehow don't get 200 hours within 3 years).

 

- is studying for the PPL exam from a CPL book (I'm thinking the D-H ICPL kit) a bad idea?

 

 

[dazza 38]

a couple of potentially very silly questions:- does passing the full set of CPL exams count for the PPL, or do you have to pass the PPL theory as well?

- if you complete the full set of CPL theory exams within 3 years, is there a certain amount of time after that before they expire, if you don't get your CPL?

 

(eg if I somehow don't get 200 hours within 3 years).

 

- is studying for the PPL exam from a CPL book (I'm thinking the D-H ICPL kit) a bad idea?

Mate you have asked some hard questions lol ( I have been Looking on CASA web site.I cant find anywhere to answer your first 2 points.(doesnt mean its not there) All I found which you are probably already aware of is that once you sit you first CPL exam (Out of the 7) wether you pass all fail that Exam.The clock starts from that date .Ie-you have 36 months to pass all 7 subjects.Eg-If you only pass 6 in that time frame, bad luck you have do do them all again.I couldnt find it anywhere that says that if all 7 subjects are passed in the 36 months how long do I have to do the flight test.

 

Maybe- Mazda can answer your questions.If not Ring CASA Licencing and ask someone there.

 

I hope this helps a bit.

 

 

[Guest Mad Dave]

My 2 cents would be:

 

Do the PPL, and then USE it and learn from it. (there are heaps of people who do the jump straight from PPL to CPL on the bare minimum requirements who have never done any "real" flying)

 

Then if you are interested and so inclined, move on to CPL studies.

 

You can never know too much, but PPL is also a "license to learn"

 

 

[Hildy]

cficare: excellent, thank you. I am then off to buy the Dyson-Holland ICPL kit and I will see when I can do the Cyber-exams. i figure it's better to have more theory than less.