Ultralight crash into lake Jindabyne

[turboplanner]

Channel 9 were reporting engine stop/turn/spiral down.

 

 

[winsor68]

Oh Crap... that sucks. My condolences to the families.

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Off those figures the DA was 3790.

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

That's a fairly high DA......................................................................

 

 

[foxy]

very sad news. as said before thoughts and prayers to the families involved!

 

 

[Jay A]

I guess the experts will give us the answers. I see it was really nice condition which also include glassy water (hard part of landing on water) and another plane around. I also read about the engine cutting out but just heard another report the engine was running fine. It would be hard to imagine it was on landing, they are extremely strong plane and landing on the water with a bi plane configuration and ground effect means this machine lands very very slow.

 

 

[Tomo]

Looks like the Prop wasn't turning at impact, also looks like there is black oil on the mid section of the blades, or would that be soot? It's obviously hit left wing first to fold it up like that.

 

Terrible that they couldn't get out and above water.

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

Yes purly just speculation at this point as I certainly don't have any real facts on the incident. However density altitude has a long history in acidents of all types, and could easily increase a descent rate because of the thin air, plus judging height above water is also a well known area of danger..As I said before just spinning the wheels looking at possibilities ...........Maj

 

 

[turboplanner]

The prop is behind the exhaust Tomo, and the exhaust is about right for the stains.

 

Given the skill levels of those on board, this is one accident where a quick preliminary report could save other lives.

 

Unfortunately under the present system the Police run the investigation and process it through the Coroner, so it may be a couple of years before the hearing and we may never get a report. The intent of the Coroner is to prevent similar accidents, so it's a flaw in our system which we should try to fix, even if responsibility for releasing the prelim report was given to ATSB.

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Woops.. went the wrong way, the DA on the figures provided was 3010.. apologies.

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

Unfortunatly as is often the case in this type of accident, we may never really know the true cause....Aviation can just be a bitch at times..........................Maj

 

 

[Mackay777]

I lived for 15 years on Lake Jindabyne. Very low water level at this time of the year. Many rocks just under the water surface or perhaps carby icing .

 

Not good for the families, feel for them. For the Guys RIP

 

 

[Spin]

Photo taken in happier times - you'll see that exhaust soot on the prop blades is a feature.

 

 

 

[AV8A]

A ballistic chute is an option on these - did Peters demonstrator have one?

 

 

[Jay A]

No, that was not on his plane.

 

 

[bushpilot]

...my hope is that RAA investigates/examines the accident and is able to help members avoid the same result.........

A sensible observation... In the meantime our thoughts are with the families...

 

 

[Bryon]

As Ned said "Such is life", but it always hurts

 

It is in times like this that we all wonder what we can say that will ease the pain, but we can never find the words to do so

 

Celebrate their life

 

Bryon

 

 

[Bryon]

I will be flying with the eagles tomorrow.....

 

and saluting the petrels as they pass me in the climb

 

Bryon

 

 

[Guest davidh10]

Certainly very sad. Condolences to the families and friends, of whom, it seems quite a few on this forum. I had the same thought as Tomo... could only be one person from Qld in an amphibian. :-(

 

(Edited by mod).

 

I too will be flying tomorrow, and will pause in thought for them and those they left behind.

 

 

[turboplanner]

A sensible observation... In the meantime our thoughts are with the families...

It isn't going to happen because we are locked into the Policed system (see my post #44). This procedure is very thorough and very formal, but is not suited to early release of information like the ATSB system. We should work to change it, and yes our thoughts should always first be with the families.

 

 

[turboplanner]

My God this is fast turning into Annus Horribilis.

David, and at least one other, who was feeling depressed lately.

 

Sometimes it seems that the world is crashing in around you, but it's only the statistic curve. We've had a few in a row close to us, and there are some lessons for us, but remember we've also had a long period with very few incidents. Recreational Flying is still a very safe occupation compared with many others (rock fishing, football etc.)

 

Doesn't really help at this time I know, but at least it puts it in perspective.

 

 

[Floatplane]

I agree with Ian, very sad indeed

 

Unfortunately one of the deceased is a very well known member of our Recreational Flying community here...our thoughts go out to his loved ones and friends

[Guest JRMobile]

Absolute tragedy, a man who was bigger than life, loved his flying and had a wicked sense of humour, and a million stories yet to tell.

 

Our thoughts are with those who are left behind

 

John and Louise

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

My deepest sympathies with the two families, a very sad outcome for them indeed. Life is short. And fragile.

 

Chris

 

James 4v14 "Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away."

 

 

[farri]

From media reports, the AC was at low altitude! ( Low Altitude )??????

 

A balistic chute needs to be deployed at the required altitude! Would it have saved them?????????????????????

 

Frank.