Tomo Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 The 120 looks smaller than they really feel. I've had some pretty large blokes in with me at times... You'll enjoy it I reckon. 1
Ultralights Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 If you want something bullet proof and reliable, and get in and out of anywhere, you cant go past a Savannah. Cruise at 87 Kts for 6 hrs hrs endurance, take off and land at MTOW in under 100 mtrs. (makes the option for forced landings a lot more plentiful) Rotax 912 reliability, Climbs at 10oo Ft/min 2 up with full main tanks. (1 up and 1/4 in each main and you will get to 1000 ft circuit height after just 1000 mtrs over the ground or half the length of the strip at WYOL) good payload (280 empty, MTOW 560) and good for bigger blokes as well. and fly doors off for summer! 1
winsor68 Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 I reckon what you will find Bob is that although the aircraft are small... they leave most GA types for dead. Most have been designed to fit our modern larger bodies. Good luck... I reckon you will love it... whatever type you decide on.... then again for the price of the provost you could have a fleet of aircraft... ? lol
Bob Young Posted July 31, 2011 Author Posted July 31, 2011 I reckon what you will find Bob is that although the aircraft are small... they leave most GA types for dead. Most have been designed to fit our modern larger bodies.Good luck... I reckon you will love it... whatever type you decide on.... then again for the price of the provost you could have a fleet of aircraft... ? lol Thanks for all the good information. I'm looking at a Savannah as well because a local ultralight club member recommended it as well. I realy didn't know this world of high performance airplanes existed.
Kyle Communications Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 Check these 2 videos out for the savannah the first one is in south africa with about 15 knots of wind on the nose the second one is local here in Brisbane in a suburban 5 acre block and no wind Mark 1
Bob Young Posted August 1, 2011 Author Posted August 1, 2011 Check these 2 videos out for the savannah the first one is in south africa with about 15 knots of wind on the nose the second one is local here in Brisbane in a suburban 5 acre block and no wind Unbelievable! Thanks for that.
kjfab Posted August 1, 2011 Posted August 1, 2011 Hi bob Well there are lots of aircraft to choose from in LSA what are you lookig for,good luck Kind regards Kevin
Bob Young Posted August 1, 2011 Author Posted August 1, 2011 Hi bobWell there are lots of aircraft to choose from in LSA what are you lookig for,good luck Kind regards Kevin That's why I came to this forum-for clarity. There are so many great options available it is going to be tough to choose. There is a microlight fly-in this weekend. I think I'll go and get even more impressed. 1
Bob Young Posted August 10, 2011 Author Posted August 10, 2011 Well the Provost is up for sale. What I get for it will determine the airplane I replace it with. I'd like a Bird Dog (I flew them in the Army) or a Stearman (expensive, but cool), but the Savannah looks like it has the performance I want. Still open for tips and advice.
winsor68 Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 I fly a Savanah S Bob... that is the factory built version. I recently finished my Ra-Aus certificate in this flying school aircraft and I can attest to the fact they are a great flying machine... like a SuperCub on a diet. They aren't fast at a max cruise of no more than 87ish knots (on a good day)... Fuel consumption less than 18 litres per hour... Aussie cost is less than $100k factory brand new in Australia... the local one has some problems with the paint finish so not perfect... remember these are trully Light Sport Aircraft... I have also flown a machine called a Texan LSA by Fly Sythesis... these are a bloody beauty made in Glass... Still take off very short but cruise at 110knots... Different strokes for different folks I guess... These cost about $120k Australian.. Both the Savanah and Texan are great pilots aircraft... Given a choice? One of each but you can't beat a bit of speed when you want to get somewhere... 1
Kyle Communications Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Hi Winsor Maybe the prop you have on the flying school one maybe a little down in pitch or probably the std 68 inch prop. The XL of Bills has a 72 inch bolly and it had no problem sitting on 90 knots at 5000 to 5200. When I was flying it I dropped the rpm back to 5000 and seemed to easily cruise at 90 knots indicated fine. The latest Sport Pilot magazine here has the basic S factory built at $81,000 inc get and the basic XL at $78,000 inc gst Mark 1
winsor68 Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Yes... they certainly are good value for money... The School aircraft is factory standard.
Bob Young Posted August 10, 2011 Author Posted August 10, 2011 Do any LSA have constant speed props, or is that hoping for too much?
.Evan. Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Plenty do, Bob. Here's one that I can think of off the top of my head: http://www.lightwing.com.au/features.html
Tomo Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Do any LSA have constant speed props, or is that hoping for too much? Yes, in the Pioneer series aircraft, you can now get the proper CSU set up fitted apparently. Most of them have the tractive type propeller, which is like a constant speed but not really. You set the prop speed by a little button, then manifold pressure. It's more inflight variable pitch control than CSU (I think). The one I fly has an Electric variable pitch prop Idrovario with constant speed unit. (just looked the actual name of it up!) There will be a few at Bundy in a couple weekends for the show. http://www.alpiaviation.com/aa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1297&Itemid=678&lang=en
Kyle Communications Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 I spoke to the Bolly guys a few weeks ago they are about to release their manual adjust and electric adjust CSU...manual adjust is about $5000 and electric is $6000...it can be fitted no drama to any Rotax 912 easily as the rotax gearbox has the hole though the centre shaft already. Their electric one has the preset positions and auto as well as a manual mode with indicator so you can pick whiter pitch you want for the rpm. I am thinking I will fit one to my Savannah after a while Mark
Powerin Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 I've seen a few LSAs with Airmaster CSUs, including a Savannah.
Guest pookemon Posted August 11, 2011 Posted August 11, 2011 Looks like I'll have to lose weight to fly this airplane. I like the slow stall speed. Hi Bob and Welcome to the forum. In terms of spacious cabin I had a bit of a look at a Tecnam P92 Super Echo (which is currently advertised on the RAA web site http://raa.asn.au/market/index.html). The cabin struck me as being huge (mind you I was comparing it to the Gazelle that I fly - which comes with a shoe horn and a tub of yak fat).
Bob Young Posted August 11, 2011 Author Posted August 11, 2011 Wow, Constant speed without carrying all that oil to move the prop. This has been an amazing learning experience. I thought all the advancements were in airliners. you guys and gals have proven me wrong. Thanks!
kjfab Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 hi Bob There are a number of ausie made aircraft that offer great value in comparison to imports and no problems with spare parts. I have recently taken delivery of a Morgon Sierra and am very impressed with it.Worth a trip to Tarry NSW to see Reg Kevin
kjfab Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 oops bob i have noticed you are in NZ ,well if you visit aus it will be worth a trip to morgan aeroworks 1
Guernsey Posted August 12, 2011 Posted August 12, 2011 I think what KJFab means that if you get over to NSW you should Tarry for a few days at a beautiful place called Taree and visit the Morgan Aeroworks. Kev's not the best of spellers but he is a bloody good pilot and that's more important.:thumb_up: Son-in-law Alan.
Bob Young Posted August 12, 2011 Author Posted August 12, 2011 oops bob i have noticed you are in NZ ,well if you visit aus it will be worth a trip to morgan aeroworks The wife and I are planning a visit to the West Island this summer. I'll have a look if I don't have something before then. Thanks!
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