Is this the Millenium under a different name?

[Guest Howard Hughes]

that only leaves 20 odd kgs of fuel available, staying under MTOW.

Perhaps it has a generous taxi allowance!

 

 

[spacesailor]

Hi Ian, Could this be of interest to you

 

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[phvdw]

Australian intrest?

 

http://www.blackshapeaircraft.com/anthony-albanese-australian-minister-of-infrastructures-and-transportation-visits-blackshape

 

 

[spacesailor]

Very expensive, did you make-out what motor the're using. Hope my training club gets one for us learner's.

 

spacesaillor

 

 

[phvdw]

standard is the rotax 100, for a more price (sic ) you can get the new "100 iS"

 

 

[shu77]

This looks exceptional, even better than the Skyleader/Sabre. Certainly another plane for the test ride list.

 

 

[shu77]

In Ian's first link he mentions a 544 & 600kG version but the website mentions a 472Kg gross weight. Thats an off weight, does anyone have any insight into the stats on the type and whether a 600Kg version is available?

 

 

[phvdw]

hi,

 

first black shape arrived on Monday, in June the second should arrive. Very impressive for an ultralight, was coming direct for the factory in flight (approx 1600km ; in 2 legs)., pilots were owner and black shapes testpilot. Try to add some pictures after the week-end.

 

 

[phvdw]

as promised some pictures

 

 

 

 

[phvdw]

formation flight with the black shape, pictures not 100%; a bit bumpy a this speed

 

 

 

 

[Gentreau]

In Ian's first link he mentions a 544 & 600kG version but the website mentions a 472Kg gross weight. Thats an off weight, does anyone have any insight into the stats on the type and whether a 600Kg version is available?

That would be 472.5kg which is the European limit of 450kg +5% if a ballistic parachute is fitted.

 

 

[shu77]

Yeah, since last November I discovered the Europeans have an odd weight class, Its a nice looking plane, but at 472 MTOW it doesn't leave a real lot of usable space if you're more than 75Kg.

 

 

[Gentreau]

Yes but we, the Europeans, are happy with that weight class, because it comes with a lot of freedoms, especially in France. We have light regulations, owner maintenance, no annual paperwork and freedom to land anywhere with the landowners permission. There are plenty of machines available here with empty weights around 250-270kg which means you can fly solo with full fuel and some baggage, or two-up with some fuel reduction. The weight limit only really becomes an issue for the high performance machines, and some of them are starting to lose weight. Flight Design just announced a new version of the CTSW which comes in at 266kg empty, giving 206kg payload.

 

 

[Ultralights]

for that money, you could build a complete IFR equipped, fuel injected 250 Hp constant speed prop 180 Kt cruising aerobatic rated RV7! though, it would not look as good as that!