Checkride ends in accident

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In the Aircraft Pilots Media Section:

 

http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/checkride-ends-in-accident.32779/

 

 

[Tomo]

[facthunter]

Profound???. Nev

 

 

[Tomo]

Yeah, just can't get over how many people stuff up go arounds. Not saying I'm exempt but it's something that is a totally unnecessary accident!

 

 

[facthunter]

Somebody has to fly the plane. Nev

 

 

[poteroo]

IMHO, the examiner probably called the go-round too low. Always call the 1st go-round about 100ft, or above, to avoid the too casual application of power and slow transition to climb. If you don't know how well someone flys - don't place the aircraft in a tight situation until you've had time to assess them.

 

happy days,

 

 

[facthunter]

C'mon poteroo. This guy is on his PPL checkride. He should have been capable of executing that manoeuvre from a bounce or 2 feet or 10 feet. He's gong to be able to carry quite a number of passengers around after he passes, with NO instructor around to blame. .Nev

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Yep, I reckon the most dangerous time for instructors are the flights with moderately experienced pilots, BFR's, check rides, aircraft conversions etc. These are the flights where your probably in the mindset that the guy is in control and you are there to assess or guide the fine details. The only time ive been caught out was doing a BFR with an experienced pilot, in gusting winds , coming over the fence i was urging him to increase the power as we were getting ' a little' slow for the conditions when all of a sudden WHAM, it was like we flew into a wall and slid down it, the gazelle just stalled from about windsock height. Had it been a student I would have had a hand on the throttle well before I did in this situation.

 

 

[facthunter]

And I have never found anything more forgiving than a Gazelle, have you? Nev

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Ouch!!!!! ;)

 

 

[facthunter]

Not intended as a criticism. I found as you have, that the Aerobatic expert, who just needs a "refresher' or blokes with a lot of jet time , getting in a Tigermoth (as examples) would all of a sudden, just get it wrong.

 

You know they are a little slow (airspeed) but not enough to call and look like a "nervous Nellie". You think, "he should know what he is doing". . This is the instructor's eternal dilemma. Nev

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Yea nev, I know u weren't having a shot..

 

SOme of the more nasty situations I've experienced have cOme during raa conversions aswel. BlOkes with hundreds of ga hours, converting to raa. Never take anything for granted I reckon. A 74 captain is just a likely to pole forward in the flair as a fresh student....

 

 

[poteroo]

Yea nev, I know u weren't having a shot..SOme of the more nasty situations I've experienced have cOme during raa conversions aswel. BlOkes with hundreds of ga hours, converting to raa. Never take anything for granted I reckon. A 74 captain is just a likely to pole forward in the flair as a fresh student....

Agree with this comment. Have heard of several groundloops achieved by ex airline captains going for a check in a taildragger which they would probably have handled with ease many years ago. You do get out of practice, but most older professional pilots don't take offence if you brief them adequately on what numbers you expect them to fly. Some of the opinionated PPL's do....but that's another story! Reckon that's better than waiting to see if they remember!

 

Nev, you missed my point.......which was to not give the reviewee pilot any manoeuvre at low level, (eg, a very low go-round, or a really short landing), until you have an appreciation of their skills. Sure - they should be up to a standard....but there's quite a variation in the competency of applicants.

 

happy days,

 

 

[Ballpoint 246niner]

Experience, expectation and ego- too many "e"s...... there are no "e"s in aviation and the only ones worth noting is only after Evaluation... what a pilot does right in the here and now is way more important than all the things he's done or intends to do. It's a subtle art sitting there knowing what's in the logbook and seeing it bought into the cockpit.

 

 

[facthunter]

Potteroo, You have a standard in the back of your mind. "IF I pass this guy, would I let my wife and kids go up with him?" He should be capable of this BEFORE his first solo as he might have to do a go around from a bounce etc. so I don't believe that the pilot shouldn't have executed it safely. There MAY have been some confusion as to who had control. We will never know.

 

Give them, (the student) the manoeuver, but if you haven't evaluated their real standard be prepared to act. In this situation the testing officer has to take the ultimate responsibliity. You've got to be prepared to take control at any stage , if it's going pearshaped, and you have the authority, and responsibility and skill.. How far you let it go is the critical judgement..Nev