John.com Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 Greetings from a sunny South Africa! As a new member I had to share one of my favorite pictures, which relates to this very relevant topic! Wingtip vortices! Often spoken about, but seldom seen . . . . . this visualisation courtesy of a US military cargo aircraft having deployed missile countermeasure flares. What wingtip vortices are and how they form is relatively simple to understand: The air on top of the wings of an aircraft in flight is at a lower pressure than the surrounding air. This is one of the basics of aerodynamics - Bernoulli's Principle The air underneath the wings of an aircraft in flight has a higher pressure than the air above the wings This differential air pressure causes the air below to want to take up the area where the reduced air pressure is located above the wings The wing tips are really the only place along the wings where this can occur. So, the air below circles around the tip of the wing to meet the air above This circling action creates horizontal 'tornadoes' that trail behind the aircraft as the aircraft moves forward The air being pushed to the side of the aircraft's fuselage also contributes to the movement of the vortices. They tend to move away from the aircraft and then they follow the wind direction Operational Tips For Light Aircraft – How to Avoid Vortex Wake: 1. Lift Off Short of Large Aircraft Rotation Point. 2. Land Well Beyond Large Aircraft Touchdown Point. 3. Pass Over Flight Path of Large Aircraft, or At Least 1000' Under. 4. Stay to Windward of Large Aircraft Flight Paths. 5. Keep Alert, Especially on Calm Days When Vortices Persist Longest. (http://www.komanetskyaviation.com/Education/WingTipVortices/index.htm) Safe Flying! 7
Guernsey Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 WOW! he must have been flying really high to be passing a couple of Angels. Alan. 3
facthunter Posted January 10, 2012 Posted January 10, 2012 Gives you an idea of where the energy needed to keep you aloft is dissipated.. Nev 1
Yenn Posted January 11, 2012 Posted January 11, 2012 Theyre not angels, that is part of Santa's makeup. 1
John.com Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 [ATTACH=full]16253[/ATTACH]And don't forget the rotor craft version! Awesome, and very interesting to see how vortices form off a rotary wing! Thanks for sharing that!
Oscar Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 This one is pretty famous - from a NACA / NASA test: http://hmf.enseeiht.fr/travaux/bei/beiep/sites/default/files/users/lclavell/wakevortex_large_9-14-072.jpg
Head in the clouds Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 Some of my favourites, courtesy of Airliners.net - 2
facthunter Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 There's something wrong with yours Oscar. It's going the wrong way. Nev
Bob Llewellyn Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 There's something wrong with yours Oscar. It's going the wrong way. Nev smoke source on ground?
facthunter Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I reckon it is a "made up ,composite" .for effect... Nev
Oscar Posted April 26, 2014 Posted April 26, 2014 Nope, it was a genuine NASA test - here's a similar one they did on a C-5A:
Old Koreelah Posted April 27, 2014 Posted April 27, 2014 Interesting Oscar, but pretty hard to see which side of the Galaxy was closer to the smoke tower.
Oscar Posted April 27, 2014 Posted April 27, 2014 Um, surely it's pretty clear that the port wingtip passed something like 10 metres from the tower ( see 0.04 of the video). Since it has a nearly 68 metre span, that makes the other one maybe 78 metres away, if my calculator isn't lying to me. If I were flying a Galaxy - or anything, really - closely past a tower, I'd want to be able to see the bleeding tower out my side window..
Old Koreelah Posted April 27, 2014 Posted April 27, 2014 The scale of the tower is not clear, but from the size of the van parked nearby it looks like the Galaxy overflew it. The break in the footage could mean the impressive vortex was made on a different run, and that vortex would have spun off the right wingtip. 1
Bob Llewellyn Posted April 27, 2014 Posted April 27, 2014 The scale of the tower is not clear, but from the size of the van parked nearby it looks like the Galaxy overflew it. The break in the footage could mean the impressive vortex was made on a different run, and that vortex would have spun off the right wingtip. Um - without splitting hairs, if NACA weren't doing an april fool's exercise, then the magnitude and intensity of the vortices is shown pretty well, whichever wingtip they were off. 2
facthunter Posted April 28, 2014 Posted April 28, 2014 It's where a lot of the energy goes, It has to go somewhere and you only stay up by pushing air down and some spills out from under the wing at the ends of it. Slow and heavy has the most effect. In still air they linger for longer . They move with the airmass they are in, so fly upwind if behind. Nev
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