pj8768 Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Noticed a yellow Gazelle flipped over on its roof this afternoon, on grass verge, 1/3 way down rwy22. Collapsed nose wheel. Some oil etc on edge of rwy. Could be one of the flying school planes but not certain. Assuming it must have happened today as no other news. Calm conditions today. No word on injuries. Humbling site when lining up - made sure to think of e-procedure on takeoff. 2
Admin Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 I wonder why it was left there as a Gazelle is very easy to flip back over again...perhaps they were waiting for a crane to do it properly either way hope the occupants came out ok
Guest pookemon Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 It might be because they haven't been given permission to. CUSTODY AND REMOVAL OF AIRCRAFT When an accident occurs, the aircraft immediately comes into the custody of the Air Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) or the police and it MUST NOT BE REMOVED or otherwise interfered with except with the permission of a responsible officer of the Bureau or police. RAA Operations Manual Section 4.08 - 3
Deskpilot Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 I can accept that for a fatal but not a simple flip over. Suppose it's a single runway field and there a lot or planes in circuit. What Are they supposed to do if the runway is blocked!
Admin Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 I suppose that no one can tell if someone is really hurt or not...I suppose there has been cases where someone has walked away from something only to find a day or 2 later they are in hospital in a serious condition from a simple bump on the head...perhaps this may be the reason
Guest pookemon Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 Whether or not someone is hurt is irrelevant. If it's an "Accident" then you must report it to the ATSB. If the aircraft suffers significant damage to a component that it would need to be repaired/replaced then it is deemed an "Accident". 'ACCIDENT' in releation to an aircraft means an occurrence associated with the operation of the aircraft which takes place between the time any person board the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as such persons have disembarked in which: a. ... b. the aircraft incurs damage or structural failure that adversely affects the structural strength, performance or flight characteristics of the aircraft and would normally require major repair or replacement of the affected component; or c... RAA Operations Manual Section 4.08-1 Where an accident occurs the pilot in command, the owner, and the hirer (if any) shall each be responsible for ensuring that notification of the accident is furnished, by Fax or telephone immediately after the accident, and by written report, as soon as practicable after the accident. Notification of an accident must be to the Air Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB). RAA Operations Manual Section 4.08-1/2 If the runway is blocked then there is provision in the Op Manual for it to be moved. CUSTODY AND REMOVAL OF AIRCRAFT ... However, this provision is waived temporarily when it is necessary to extricate persons from the wreckage or to protect the wreckage from further damage, or to remove it if it presents an obstruction or danger to other aircraft, other transport or to the public. RAA Operations Manual Section 4.08-3 All of us that are RAA pilots should know that - and I'd expect the same to be true for GA...
robinsm Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 Goulburn has a second grass runway that was available for landing. The aircraft in question belonged to one of the flying schools on the field. The pilot got into a wheelbarrow situation and the front gear collapsed, putting the aircraft on its roof. Neither the pilot or the other person in the plane were injured but attended the local hospital for a check up as required. The aircraft was not moved for a while as the police and the ATSB had to be informed and permission obtained to remove it. It is now residing in the flying schools hanger and is a sorry sight. Interestingly, the cockpit structure is fully intact as it is meant to be. Strong aircraft.
Guest pookemon Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 Glad they're OK. The ol' Chrome Moly is awesome stuff.
68volksy Posted April 1, 2012 Posted April 1, 2012 Very glad to hear all occupants walked away. Any indication of whether they were overloaded or anything out of the ordinary? I'm reliably informed it's pretty damn hard to flip a Gazelle onto its roof! Big bounce? Instructor or CFI on board? Once again very glad to hear no-one was hurt.
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