You have been told - by kevin walters

[facthunter]

When I saw the vids I just didn't think they were relevent ( mostly) won't others do the same.? Nev

 

 

[Guest Howard Hughes]

I think most people can sort the 'wheat from the chaff'...

 

 

[eightyknots]

Agree with you about the loss of continuity, hadn't thought of that.Sounds like a good idea.

The aim is to build up readily available good quality reference material

T-P: I'll work on it over the next 24-48 hours (I'm really busy at work just now), in other words do the legwork ...and then you may wish to offer editorial advice?

 

 

[turboplanner]

I'm happy just with the changes I mentioned.

 

 

[eightyknots]

Here's one pilot who (today) tried "the impossible turn" and was very fortunate to get away with it, clipping trees in the process. I'm sure he thought he would have had more altitude after doing the 180 degree turn.

 

The only comment I would like to make is: I'm happy he's alive and well.

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7422848/Plane-crash-lands-in-Motueka

 

 

[facthunter]

The context of "the impossible turn" is generally relating to the take-off phase when you have little speed excess, little height to turn back etc

 

A 180 degree steep gliding turn is something everyone should be capable of at a moments notice in a small aircraft. You should be familiar with the amount of height you can expect to lose, the high rate of descent, and the safe airspeed required to be safely above the stall and maintain full control. Practice it with your instructor, who will no doubt make sure that you do it at a safe height and mention recovery from a spiral dive as well. Nev

 

 

[turboplanner]

You're daring.

 

 

[facthunter]

Generally conservative, but with this I have always practiced what I state. A quick track reversal is a good thing to be proficient at and if you enter a spiral anytime, you need to get out of it quick. Nev

 

 

[turboplanner]

I was referring to a suggestion being made on a forum, where we know there are a substantial number of people who are likely to go out and do it without an instructor present.

 

I can remember my instructor's gentle nudge when, as I was making the steep clearing turn prior to incipient spin training he said "we'll do the spiral dive next lesson"

 

 

[facthunter]

They do go together. I am glad of your confirmation. Many RAAus aircraft are not suitable for Spiral dive demonstration and some care is needed. Nev

 

 

[dazza 38]

Here's one pilot who (today) tried "the impossible turn" and was very fortunate to get away with it, clipping trees in the process. I'm sure he thought he would have had more altitude after doing the 180 degree turn.The only comment I would like to make is: I'm happy he's alive and well.

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7422848/Plane-crash-lands-in-Motueka

That looks like a Team mini-max, Hi-max aircraft.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Here's one pilot who (today) tried "the impossible turn" and was very fortunate to get away with it, clipping trees in the process. I'm sure he thought he would have had more altitude after doing the 180 degree turn.The only comment I would like to make is: I'm happy he's alive and well.

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7422848/Plane-crash-lands-in-Motueka

This was not the impossible turn - he was coming IN to the airport and - he had a number of advantages.

 

What Kevin's string warning is about is an engine failure immediately after take off - say until normal crosswind turn for safety. After that, as someone else has pointed out, you are making a forced landing with a different set of dynamics.

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Yep. Apples and oranges.

 

 

[eightyknots]

OK, point taken

 

for the clarifications!

 

 

[BudManthey]

I've read all these posts with interest. I'm thinking of getting some training I live on the Gold Coast . I'd take My Chances with Kevin . Yes, He over did it a bit , But I think It shows His passion for keeping people ALIVE . As an old Glider pilot I remember always having in mind,during take off ... Where will I go if the cable broke- And it DID Many times , some times we landed ahead, if we had the height we'd do an amended circuit .... very rarely we'd land downwind .... but it was always in the Plan . Things may be different now ? All the best BUD .

 

 

[turboplanner]

You've got it Bud, and I'm sure you'll come out an above average, and safer pilot with the benefit of his passion.

 

 

[crazy diamond]

I'll never forget watching a Lancair 360 spin in at Bankstown. I remember watching it do circuits and remarking to my mate (a charter pilot on Aerostars at the time) how hot the thing looked and given the chance I'd love to fly one. The next takeoff we heard the engine missing and backfiring etc at a height of about 150"AGL, watched it turn to the right towards Bankstown Grammar School, tighten the turn and quickly spin and pancake in and saw the dust cloud rise up, the thud told us it wasn't going to be good. Not long after that I think another Lancair that was resident at Bankstown had a similar occurrence out Bathurst way (don't think the occupant was killed though?)... Thought about it everytime I took off since, always did a TOSB before those incidents but it seemed to have much deeper relevance afterwards.

 

 

[turboplanner]

That one has always resonated with me too. I think he had about 2000 hours up, and I figured if he could make that mistake at those hours, I needed to be very careful.

 

 

[crazy diamond]

Turbo yeah I think he had something like that level of experience, was actually the AOPA President (might have just vacated the position?).

 

A mate used to tell me about the time he had both props stop on a BN-2A Islander at 800 feet climbing out of Wilton in the early 80's, normally full of jumpers I think it had just come out of maintenance and it was the first flight of the day so fortunately they were empty, descending 180 degree turn and safely back on the strip, guess it's a matter of height = options??

 

 

[shags_j]

Talking about raising the dead...

 

 

[eightyknots]

This video was posted today and illustrates the Impossible Turn really well:

 

 

 

[Deskpilot]

OK, nice vid but............... he's in the right hand seat so he's used to being an instructor who knows what he's doing but.............did you see a seat belt anywhere? I didn't.

 

 

[facthunter]

They only use a lap belt sometimes. Nev

 

 

[David Isaac]

And anyone knows if you do a rate 1 turn you will need 1000'. He should have demoed a steep descending turn on the verge of the stall. He would have made the turn in less than 500' there is a demo video of that somewhere. There are other methods that an aerobatic pilot could use in the RIGHT circumstances.

 

But the message is still important. A turn back can be a death warrant for those not specifically practiced in the manoeuvre.

 

 

[facthunter]

The thing about it is that IF you don't quite make it you are in deep $#iT. A lot lose control which is the worst thing you can do. It often rolls over the upward wing and goes in straight on the nose. If you don't make the strip you go in downwind faster in an area you wouldn't want to be, at best. Nev