David Isaac Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Variations of the CSIRO diet are not a bad place to start. You can do yourself harm by dieting incorrectly. there is no end to investigating the effects of food and lifestyle, on health. The need is demonstrated over and over. It's not hard once you make the decision to do it. You have to be fair dinkum. Your mates will "bag" you when you demonstrate will power. If you are prediabetic, puffing on steps, blood pressure high etc, as soon as the weight STARTS coming off the symptoms change, particularly the diabetic indications. Don't wait till you get diabetes. heed the warning signs, and if you are STILL smoking, the SINGLE best move for your future is stop right now. The addiction to nicotine, salt, sugar, caffeine, fats is strong. It's not easy. ( but necessary)Incidently the safe intake of trans-fats is ZERO. Also nearly all elderly people will have an intolerance to lactose. ( Dairy farmers don't mention that) also the abundant calcium in it is not readily available to our bodies. There's a lot of good facts out there these days, ( with a bit of BS also but you guys/gals are smart, ( cause you can fly aeroplanes) so go to it. You need motivation. Make it flying for longer, seeing more of your grandkids, wanting to outlive someone you don't like.. ( whatever works) Nev Well said Nev, You know some of the issues I had. Also a real big killer of men is STRESS. If you are really stressed ... change something, it nearly cost me my life ... all the high stressed corporate BS ... and for what; for the glorification of some corporate tossers above me ... give me my life back ... well they won't ... you have to take it back and walk away .. you are just a number in their eyes. Nev is right with the CSIRO eating program many years ago I lost a lot of weight following that program, it is a pleasant way to lose weight, I should have gone back on it rather than Jenny Craig, but the Jenny Craig thing helped me set up a habitual discipline. 1
facthunter Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Absolutely. Constant stress will kill you. Your physiology/karma, whatever ,cannot cope with it. You don't know how much you are subject to , till you get it off you. I'm still trying. Nev 1
winsor68 Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 I find it ironic that as we know Dieting doesn't work (Jenny Craig or whatever- if they worked they would not have grown into the massive industry they are today)... As many of us are unaware the majority of the average food we put in our supermarket trolleys is full of modified rubbish... Sugar, flour, gluten, strange numbers... As many of us have found out by doing the exact reverse of what the modern "Nutritionist" industry tells us... i.e. eating fat etc etc we can loose weight....We seem to miss the point that these foods are "whole" or more natural foods that grow and are simple... if you are holding a steak in your hand the only ingredient you should find listed is steak... I reckon the problem is the stuff they are selling us as "food"... this started about 40 odd years ago... my generation is feeling it and our kids are really copping it if you take an honest look around. When you were a kid and you went shopping with your Mum how much sugar and chemically altered "food" left the supermarket in the trolley (if you even had a "Super" Market)... you could reasonably guess not too much... Today your average trolley of groceries if you do the figures will hold at least 6 kilos of sugar and chemical in my estimation... and that is not counting the "junk" food. We recently discovered a healthy nut spread for my daughter called ABC (almonds, Brazil, Cashew) which is ALL that is in it... This ABC is basically a different sort of Peanut Butter... BUT... if I take the Peanut Butter out and place it on the bench next to the ABC they are like chalk and cheese... which is ironic because Peanut Butter is really supposed to be Peanuts right? Wrong!!! They put all this chemically, gluten, sugary crap in it so that it looks appealing and lasts longer... funny eh? Or dodgy!!! 2
eightyknots Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Also a real big killer of men is STRESS. If you are really stressed ... change something, it nearly cost me my life ... all the high stressed corporate BS ... and for what; for the glorification of some corporate tossers above me ... give me my life back ... well they won't ... you have to take it back and walk away .. you are just a number in their eyes. I worked in an organisation like that for more than a decade. We were then collectively known as personnel (the focus being on persons). Then, in the late 1980s, a large culture change came over the organisation. The personnel department tripled the size of their workforce and many of these people were made high paid middle managers and senior managers. The personnel department was renamed Human Resources (we were viewed as a resource along with the other resources such as material resources, real estate resources, financial resources, etc. of my employer). You could say we became just a number. After gaining many people themselves, they did a study and found that the organisation was overstaffed. Despite the fact that they now had three times more people, they still need to hire a number of consultants to do a series of human resource studies. Three years later, approximately 1,000 people were offered voluntary redundancies. As far as I know, the Human Resource division never lost any staff even though the organisation was now much slimmer. My advice is: once you feel you're just a 'number' in a firm's bank of human resources, it's time to move on. It's not worth the long hours, the hassle and the stress. 2
facthunter Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 I once did a particular "Psych" course which was mostly populated by business management types at UNSW. They only viewed the knowledge they obtained as being essentially usefull to "deceive" the workers into thinking that they cared, rather than pay them a decent wage. Nev 1
David Isaac Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 I once did a particular "Psych" course which was mostly populated by business management types at UNSW. They only viewed the knowledge they obtained as being essentially usefull to "deceive" the workers into thinking that they cared, rather than pay them a decent wage. Nev A bit like all the corporate ethical motherhood statements out there where companies actively state that they will put ethics and integrity above and before sales ... yeah right. The only reason they say that is so they look like they are complying with all the ant-trust laws (Trade practices laws here in Australia) and so that when one of their employees does something against the ethics in 'his' desperate attempt to achieve the sales they are putting him under extreme pressure to achieve, they can hang him out to dry and 'he' becomes the scapegoat. Seen all this BS so many times it makes me puke. Companies cannot have ethics and morality, they are innate structures, they cannot be executed or imprisoned, they are perpetual and do not even die. All authorities can do is fine them for illegal practices, and most of them pay the fines for their unethical behaviour and regard it as a 'cost of doing business' and go about their ways unaffected. People will do immoral and unethical things in the name of the company that they would never do personally. Grrrrrrr. 2
facthunter Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Keep your stress levels down David. Just hope that "time wounds all heels" Nev 2
eightyknots Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 A bit like all the corporate ethical motherhood statements out there where companies actively state that they will put ethics and integrity above and before sales ... yeah right. The only reason they say that is so they look like they are complying with all the ant-trust laws (Trade practices laws here in Australia) and so that when one of their employees does something against the ethics in 'his' desperate attempt to achieve the sales they are putting him under extreme pressure to achieve, they can hang him out to dry and 'he' becomes the scapegoat. Seen all this BS so many times it makes me puke.Companies cannot have ethics and morality, they are innate structures, they cannot be executed or imprisoned, they are perpetual and do not even die. All authorities can do is fine them for illegal practices, and most of them pay the fines for their unethical behaviour and regard it as a 'cost of doing business' and go about their ways unaffected. People will do immoral and unethical things in the name of the company that they would never do personally. Grrrrrrr. It sounds like it was really time to move on, David. As I posted above, it is simply not worth it: you only have one life, and one conscience, and it is no good doing harm to either one of them in the name of The Company.
facthunter Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 They say you can judge people by the company they keep. Nev 2
winsor68 Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 The workplace has become a real mongrel for so many people. Fact of the matter is it is not the people it is our Workplace "Culture" that has become sick... I think the massive rise in "Productivity" is directly related to the massive fall in standards and ethics sadly. I reckon we have to wake up and realize that our Governments don't have a plan (unless it is to make money) for the best outcomes for humanity... let alone our Corporations that essentially run the economy.
David Isaac Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 It was time 80 as Nev knows, I have moved on. I still get upset when I watch the antics from afar and how it affects people I know and the public at large. Time does heal all wounds Nev as long as you let go and let it.
winsor68 Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 I have come too the conclusion that modern males are never going to be the 77Kg that the FAA and CASA think we are. Ironically last time I looked a few weeks ago I was around 77kgs... I was 92kgs this time last year. I too had always been a skinny bugger at almost 6 feet tall... a bout of Pericarditis helped... I don't know if you would call that luck but it was certainly a wake up call.
eightyknots Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 our Workplace "Culture" that has become sick... I think the massive rise in "Productivity" is directly related to the massive fall in standards and ethics sadly. There used to be the bad old days of the early years of the Industrial Revolutions when 8 year olds were sent down into coal mines and when they became too large to fit into the small mine shafts, too unwell to continue working or too 'rebellious' towards their totally unreasonable bosses they lost their jobs. Both the churches, parliamentarians and the unions spoke out against these terrible excesses and pure exploitation of workers. Things continued to improve from the late 1800s and throughout the 20th century until the 'heyday' of the 1950s, 1960s and early 1970s when Corporations had largely developed a sense of morality: morality is an absolute standard about what is right and wrong (e.g. ripping off a consumer is always theft; screwing a worker over is always lack of compassion for a fellow human being, etc.). In Australia particularly, managers were often chosen because they were "decent men" (not many women were selected in those days but that is a different story). Now, the corporate focus is on "situational ethics": essentially that means that each decision has to be made according to the situation but, in reality, this has been taken to mean "do to the worker or the consumer whatever it takes to make a profit and still get away with it". It appears that many politicians have adopted the same un-Australian (read: North American) management techniques.
facthunter Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 You read it too fast David. It's like my definition of the bagpipes." An ill wind that nobody blows any good ". New Zealand... "The Land of the Wrong White Crowd," and so on. Nev
facthunter Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 80 K and Winsor, the Colliery owners were despised. Did you see the thing on SBS last night about welsh miners? Pit ponies were worth more than miners. When a miner died (Usually because of improper practices of the mine) the miners wife and kids were evicted from the hovels they were lived in immediately. No compensation was paid for the death. In the worst mine incident 400 died and the mine owner got a small fine., which was a token figure. Maybe we are going back to that .Seems to be a race to the bottom. If you are ethical that is a weakness. Nev
eightyknots Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Seems to be a race to the bottom. If you are ethical that is a weakness. Nev Sadly, I think you're right. Any mention of morality, ethics, the Australian fair go, "the decent thing", etc, is all considered to be affecting the all important and all consuming Bottom Line. As you say Nev, it is considered a weakness rather than a strength. We, as a society, have made a U-turn in the last decade or so and we are heading back ...slowly but surely.
David Isaac Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 You read it too fast David. It's like my definition of the bagpipes." An ill wind that nobody blows any good ". New Zealand... "The Land of the Wrong White Crowd," and so on. Nev Ha ha, so I did Nev, I should read slower ... LOL
Guernsey Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 Well, well, well, some of you must be wondering why yours truly has not chipped in on this post as it is very rare that I do not contribute in some way (comical or otherwise). I wish I could be of help with some new magical diet but I have never needed one. I am 73 years of age, 5ft. 8ins tall and rarely been above 70 kgs. Middle aged spread seemed to have passed me by and in spite of all my efforts to add weight, the maximum I have ever reached is 72 kgs. I FEEL SO GUILTY. Alan.
winsor68 Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 On a lighter note ... in aid of healthy living... Mrs Winsor and I just made healthy natural chocolate icecream ... from avocados would you believe! Very nice... we were very surprised at the result.
Guernsey Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 On a lighter note ... in aid of healthy living... Mrs Winsor and I just made healthy natural chocolate icecream ... from avocados would you believe! Very nice... we were very surprised at the result. My wife just sceamed out......RECIPE PLEASE. Alan. 1
David Isaac Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 My wife just sceamed out......RECIPE PLEASE.Alan. so did mine Win ... LOL
old man emu Posted June 30, 2012 Author Posted June 30, 2012 It is ironic that when I was a kid, I was called "fatty" because I was fatter than the other kids, but when I look at photographs of me as a child, and compare myself to what I see waddling around the local shopping malls, I begin to wonder what names kids of my generation would have called today's kids. I think the benefit of programs like Jenny Craig, Weight Watchers and Lite & Easy are that they show you that you are able to exist on smaller portions without wanting to eat the legs off a grand piano. After you have realised exactly how little food you really need to satisfy your hunger, you can get off those programs IF the COOK is behind your efforts. I also think that if we reverted to "meat and two veg" as an evening meal, with occasional savoury meals as treats, we would go a long way to developing our own weight loss diet. All this fancy non-European food; easy to prepare meals; coffee shops and fast food draw us into a web of malnutrition. Yes, malnutrition, because a diet reliant on these things obviously is bad (mal-) nutrition, as exemplified by the obesity epidemic. OME 2
David Isaac Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 .... I FEEL SO GUILTY.... and so you should you beloved old bastard ... LOL 1
winsor68 Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 4 x Avocados 1/2 cup Pure Organic Cocao (the Mayan Superfood lol) 1 tbs pure Vanilla extract 1/2 cup of Agave Nector (I guess you could use pure Maple syrup?) We stuck these ingredients in the blender and gave them a good mix until they took on the consistency of chocolate mousse... Place in freezer for a while (until after your dinner)... Yummy would you believe!!! We were surprised at the result. 2
eightyknots Posted June 30, 2012 Posted June 30, 2012 4 x Avocados1/2 cup Pure Organic Cocao (the Mayan Superfood lol) 1 tbs pure Vanilla extract 1/2 cup of Agate Nector (I guess you could use pure Maple syrup?) We stuck these ingredients in the blender and gave them a good mix until they took on the consistency of chocolate mousse... Place in freezer for a while (until after your dinner)... Yummy would you believe!!! We were surprised at the result. Pass on a "thank you" to Mrs Winsor 1
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