ASIC renewal

[Guest ozzie]

Of course they can, if a govenment can give you rights then they can also take them away including your property.

 

I can see several options for you. 1: you can just sit on the pot and S%#t, 2: find another airstrip that is not covered by ASIC crap.

 

3: get all those affected on the airport and go lob up at the Mayors office and threaten to take his job at the next elections.

 

I suppose aviators in my area are lucky in that we have Maitland, Cessnock, Singleton, Luskintyre and Elderslie all within a 20 minute drive of each other, none of which require ASIC. How to beat the asic crap? Continuous lobbying to your local ministers.

 

 

[David Isaac]

Ok but can they impound your aircraft and prevent access?

Yep, If they own it or control, it and you don't comply with their policy, you are effectively trespassing.

Mudgee being 'security controlled' would seem to be laughable to the extreme. So they declare it 'security controlled' and post a 24 hr security guard ... right? I doubt that; and if it is 'security controlled'; when? ... When the DC3 comes in on a wine tour.

 

I would suggest that someone has been seriously misguided applying such a policy at Mudgee.

 

 

[jetjr]

Ill believe you but Im not sure the powers to detain people or your property is just granted to local council employees.

 

Wouldnt you be best calling the Police if this happened, they might at least know the limits of the council slasher driver

 

I think some of this stuff is driven by what the council THINKS about its size and importance. RPT operators also dictate what must be there if they want to be considered for scheduled flights.

 

 

[dodo]

I find this ASIC card and security too bloody hard. Last time I wanted fuel, apart from the ASIC, I thought they wanted a search!

 

When I was ready to pay for my fuel, the cashier said, "Strip down, facing me."

 

Making a mental note to complain to my local member about Security running amok, I did just as she had instructed.

 

When the hysterical shrieking had finally subsided, I found out that she was referring to my credit card.

 

I have been asked to get fuel elsewhere in the future.

 

 

[ave8rr]

1. You can have an AVID (cheaper and lasts 5 years but does not give you access to security controlled areas) instead of an ASIC if you choose, but you must have one or the other, because you are a CASA issued license holder. Not so for a RAAus Pilot Certificate holder.

Regards,

Can anyone out there explain WHY a CASA licence holder needs the minimum of an Avid (5 year security check) when a Pilot Certificate holder requires NO form of security check?

Mike

 

 

[robinsm]

I dont renew mine any more, landed at all sorts of RPT airports, been through all sorts of security gates, in 5 years never been asked for, or actually shown it, to anyone. Cant see the point any more. Waste of money.

 

 

[facthunter]

Just because. Nev

 

 

[robinsm]

Can anyone out there explain WHY a CASA licence holder needs the minimum of an Avid (5 year security check) when a Pilot Certificate holder requires NO form of security check?Mike

cos we're special...lol:amazon:

 

 

[Happyflyer]

cos we're special...lol:amazon:

I know plenty of GA pilots without an AVID or ASIC. They needed one intitially (why, I don't know) but plenty are not renewing.

 

 

[ave8rr]

I know plenty of GA pilots without an AVID or ASIC. They needed one intitially (why, I don't know) but plenty are not renewing.

CASA advise is that the minimum of a valid AVID will need to be produced during ramp checks.

 

Where if any is the exemption for RAAO issued Pilot Certificate holders to not have to produce the AVID/ASIC at a ramp check?

 

 

[rhysmcc]

My guess would be to find the regulation that requires the AVID/ASIC and see if it's listed in our exemptions under the CAO. Could be something related to Part 61 maybe.

 

 

[Happyflyer]

CASA advise is that the minimum of a valid AVID will need to be produced during ramp checks.Where if any is the exemption for RAAO issued Pilot Certificate holders to not have to produce the AVID/ASIC at a ramp check?

That's interesting. Do you have a reference for that? I'd like to look into that further. There is no mention of it in the CASA guidance material here: https://www.casa.gov.au/standard-page/i%E2%80%99m-ga-pilot-and-have-been-selected-casa-inspector-ramp-check-0

 

 

[waraton]

Just applied for mine through RAA - $200 thanks for coming.

 

 

[kaz3g]

There seems to be an anomaly between what the Regs say and what CASA has on its ASIC application form.

 

The CASA form 498 says...

 

"You must have an operational need to have an ASIC. This includes having a valid flight crew licence, a current medical certificate AND a need to fly into or from a security controlled airport that has regular public transport operations.

 

You must satisfy these requirements otherwise CASA will not issue you an ASIC."

 

 

The Regs 6.55 (2) say you if you hold a pilot licence you can't exercise the privilege unless your security check is valid.

 

 

 

Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2005

 

 

6.55 Exercise of privileges of flight crew licences etc

 

(1) A person who holds a security designated authorisation must not perform a duty that is essential to the operation of an aircraft while the aircraft is in Australian territory if the Secretary:

 

(a) has determined that the person has an adverse aviation security status; and

 

(b) has given a copy of the determination to the person.

 

Penalty: 20 penalty units.

 

Note: A pilot licence, a flight engineer licence and a special pilot licence are security designated authorisations—see regulation 1.08 and the Act, section 74G.

 

(2) Subject to subregulation (4), a person who is over 18, and holds a security designated authorisation, must not perform a duty that is essential to the operation of an aircraft while the aircraft is in Australian territory unless:

 

(a) his or her aviation security status check is current; or

 

(b) he or she has requested an aviation security status check.

 

Penalty: 20 penalty units.

 

1.08 Security designated authorisations

 

For the definition of security designated authorisation in section 9 of the Act, each of the following authorisations:

 

(a) a flight crew licence;

 

(b) a special pilot licence; (note: these no longer exist...Kaz)

 

(in each case within the meaning given by the Civil Aviation Regulations 1988) is a security designated authorisation.

 

Kaz

 

 

[barramundi]

If the clowns in power were serious about security and terrorists they would be stopping the threat from its very obvious source, but we can't say that because the ignorant pull the racist card. Will an ASIC stop some home grown terrorist pig from blowing a bus to bits? Don't think so.

seriously why this shit! can we not keep these forums clean!

 

 

[biggles]

seriously why this ****! can we not keep these forums clean!

This is an old thread revived . That remark was made more than four years ago ! ...... Bob

 

 

[djpacro]

Kaz, what's the anamoly?

 

To exercise privileges of a licence then an AVID or ASIC is required. If one doesn't need an ASIC then its gotta be an AVID.

 

 

[ave8rr]

Kaz, what's the anamoly?To exercise privileges of a licence then an AVID or ASIC is required. If one doesn't need an ASIC then its gotta be an AVID.

So Reg 6.55 (2) appears to be what CASA are using to state a security check (AVID/ASIC) is required to be produced at a ramp check. So are RAAO issued Pilot Certificates exempt from this regulation?

If not, then all pilots should have at least an AVID (ASIC if operating from a Security Controlled airport)????

 

 

[rhysmcc]

Well the Reg that Kaz posted refers to flight crew license, which the RA-AUS pilot certificate isn't. In fact the CAO is quite clear in that a flight crew licence isn't required for our operations.

 

Safe as houses :)

 

 

[facthunter]

IF the stuff about arranging for someone with an ASIC to escort you through a security airport means anything then you can operate without an ASIC in other places. NO? Why is there always confusion about this stuff. Nev

 

 

[djpacro]

Why is there always confusion about this stuff. Nev

Probably because pilots ask on a forum instead of reading the rules.

 

 

[Robbo]

I am sick of people going on about asics or avids, bloody hell people criticise the government for not implementing security procedures and when they do they still criticise them.

 

I have no problems paying $200 for a security clearance. That's the rules and if I wan't to fly and fly safely I shut up and pay the fee.

 

If you can afford to fly you can afford an avid or asic..

 

Remember... Holding a pilots licence is a privilege and not a right.

 

 

[coljones]

I am sick of people going on about asics or avids, bloody hell people criticise the government for not implementing security procedures and when they do they still criticise them.I have no problems paying $200 for a security clearance. That's the rules and if I wan't to fly and fly safely I shut up and pay the fee.

 

If you can afford to fly you can afford an avid or asic..

 

Remember... Holding a pilots licence is a privilege and not a right.

While the price ASIC/AVID/MSIC is a significant consideration there is the question of it being appropriate in all the circumstances. Once a day RPT? Is this a justification. No RPT? surely you jest. It is a bit like Class C and D in certain areas. Why have Class C/D at Coffs and Camden when it is not in use at Port Macquarie or Orange. Or is this just some jumped up turkey from the local council or Air services flexing a bit of muscle, because they can?

 

 

[Robbo]

Airspace regs are a total different discussion.

 

The thing is, we all fly an aircraft wether it be small or large and we all exercise the privilege of this wonderful thing called flight.

 

Many people only dream of what we experience on a daily basis.

 

I am all for eliminating the AVID and making the ASIC the only security pass, that way ALL pilots wether it be small or large have the one ID, because in the end we all exercise the same priveledge of flight.

 

That is just my opinion.

 

 

[Happyflyer]

Airspace regs are a total different discussion. I am all for eliminating the AVID and making the ASIC the only security pass, that way ALL pilots wether it be small or large have the one ID, because in the end we all exercise the same priveledge of flight. That is just my opinion.

Or we could get rid of both the AVID and the ASIC and be like the rest of the world.