How to get to Mars.

[dazza 38]

When Peeps like me spend alot of time staring at the stars for hours at night.You will sooner or later see some things you cant explain. That is what has happen to me.Sure it is easy to talk about it and write it off .I am a aries and we normally write off what other peeps think.But we are a loyal type of person. I know what I have seen, and it cant be explained. At the end of the day, it doesnt realy matter if peeps believe me or not. I have to believe in me.Do I believe in other intelegent life fark yeah.We arent the only peeps in the universe.Dont listen to me.Google it.There is plenty there including Dr Edgar Mitchell, Buzz Aldrin, even Neil Armstrong.Neil going silent on the question is the same as saying yep IMO.

 

 

[dazza 38]

So Dazz, its just the kids next door. Cut back on those stubbies mate.

Nope

 

So Dazz, its just the kids next door. Cut back on those stubbies mate.

Nope. I know what I have seen.Take it or leave it

 

 

[dazza 38]

So am I wrong as well as half a dozen Astronauts who have had the balls to speak out. I dont think so.I think that peeps that dont beleive are the fools.

 

 

[turboplanner]

I was going to put up what Neil Armstrong said a couple of week ago but the key jocks got started, so I didn't bother.

 

 

[damkia]

When Peeps like me spend alot of time staring at the stars for hours at night.You will sooner or later see some things you cant explain. That is what has happen to me.Sure it is easy to talk about it and right it off .I am a aries and we normally write off what other peeps think.But we are a loyal type of person. I know what I have seen, and it cant be explained. At the end of the day, it doesnt realy matter if peeps believe me or not. I have to believe in me.Do I believe in other intelegent life fark yeah.We arent the only peeps in the universe.Dont listen to me.Google it.There is plenty there including Dr Edgar Mitchell, Buzz Aldrin, even Neil Armstrong.Neil going silent on the question is the same as saying yep IMO.

I don't disbelieve you about some of the UFO sighting (in the true sense of "unidentified") particularly the ones out the window of the various Apollo missions, I'm just being a bit pragmatic and saying lets look for the most likely first before believing in little green men.

I do believe that we may not be the only planet sustaining life, but the chances of two such planets with developed species existing in similar evolutionary states at the same time (give or take a few thousand years) is unlikely. It would not be unreasonable to say there have been many (thousands?) planets/species that have developed to our intellectual point just not in our neck of the woods, or in our relatively short period of "cognitive" existence (1 million years?).

 

 

[dazza 38]

I think that me who worked on jets for 12 years and have flown on and off since 1987 would have a pretty farking good grasp on height.And what aircraft can and cant do.Sorry for getting annoyed, but I have been written off before.Each to their own.I couldnt care less if people believe me or not.

 

 

[dazza 38]

Anyway this whole mars thing is a crock of Sh!t. They where not told politely to get off the moon.They where told to get the Fark of the moon. Does anybody wonder why they didnt go back all of a sudden.Dont take my word for it, ask any astronaut from the 1960 until now.Why do you think they farked around with the shuttle for the last 20 years just out of the earths oribit. Go & do the research then come back to me with some evidence.Then we will sit down & have a argument.About it.

 

 

[turboplanner]

Just spent half an hour going through the book "Dark Mission": by Richard C Hoagland trying to find the quote made publicly by Buzz Aldrin which was very telling, along the lines that Dazza was saying. It's 600 pages but some very interesting reading. These photos were taken by Astronaut Cernan on a crater on the Moon they named Shorty.

 

They are NASA photos which Hoadland downloaded from the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal website, so you should be able to download hi res versions also.

 

He names it Data's head - it's clearly mechanical, and he suggests the red section is either painted or anodized.

 

Not too sure if this will blow up enough here, but in the book you can clearly see the skull shape lying in the upper left area of the wider view.

 

Hoagland describes the very strange commentary of the astronauts as they walk through the crater, and very strange behaviour from Cernan when answering questions back on earth

 

What you see in the top photo definitely has the appearance of fractured metal strewn across the floor of the crater - not something expected on the moon.

 

 

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

...the chances of two such planets with developed species existing in similar evolutionary states at the same time (give or take a few thousand years) is unlikely. It would not be unreasonable to say there have been many (thousands?) planets/species that have developed to our intellectual point just not in our neck of the woods, or in our relatively short period of "cognitive" existence (1 million years?).

Rupert Sheldrake's theories explain why and how civilzations separated by vast distances could influence each others' development. Effectively wiping out that otherwise valid argument.

 

 

[turboplanner]

OK, Here's the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal link for Apollo 17, which includes the photos I posted, in hi res (or maybe just the top photo)

 

You can hear the astronauts giving a blow by blow description and if you can identify the Shorty crater segment, some very weird exchanges as they are observing something they didn't expect according to Hoagland.

 

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17.html

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Thanks for the link, Turb, but there are hours of stuff to go through. Can you narrow down where we should look?

 

 

[turboplanner]

Ha Ha Ha

 

I was looking for some of the Mars stuff and there were hundreds of thousands of photos, which NASA uses to bury the interesting ones.

 

I'll have a look because the Shorty Crater/discussion shouldn't be too hard and I'd like to look at the originals myself.

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

This thread could be moved to humour section, it just keeps getting kookier. Must be the mention of Mars....

 

 

[turboplanner]

O.K.

 

Looked through about 200 hi res photos

 

Mission time starts about 145:22:22 where Schmitt says "Whoo Whoo Whoo!

 

At around 145:26:54 they start photographing in Shorty Crater near the South Massif in the Nansen area.

 

problem is the colour photos aren't tagged with the Mission Time so you can't exactly cross reference, but I'm starting to get the drift, and just need to find them in the bottom of Shorty where there are some highly metallic box shapes, reflections like crystals and geometric shapes.

 

 

[turboplanner]

We probably have CFI, we're looking for some actual NASA photos right now.

 

 

[octave]

Does anyone really believe this nonsense?

 

Why stop going to the moon, no mystery there just the loss of political will and the enormous cost. Why go to Mars instead, easy evidence that there was once liquid water therefore the chances of life in the past are much greater.

 

Does anyone really believe this? and if you believe this conspiracy theory what about Richard C Hoagland's other conspiracy theories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland

 

 

[turboplanner]

O.K.

 

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

 

I've been through Apollo Hasselblad Magazine 137/C Photos 20990 thru 21026

 

The Mission segment where the debris shows up is EVA2

 

This one shows the orange soil found near the rim of Shorty crater (AS17-137-20990, and also what looks like splatter in 20997, slightly different terrain 21019, and patterns in the background 21024

 

 

[dazza 38]

Does anyone really believe this nonsense?

Why stop going to the moon, no mystery there just the loss of political will and the enormous cost. Why go to Mars instead, easy evidence that there was once liquid water therefore the chances of life in the past are much greater.

 

Does anyone really believe this? and if you believe this conspiracy theory what about Richard C Hoagland's other conspiracy theories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland

Well Jeez mate,

Major Gordon Cooper ex-Astronaut and USAF fighter Pilot

 

Donald Slayton X-15

 

Joseph A Walker X-15

 

Commander Eugene Cernan -Astronaut

 

Ed White & James McDivitt -Astronauts

 

James Lovell & Frank Borman- Astonauts

 

Neil Armstrong and Edwin 'Buzz' Aldrin Astronauts

 

Maurice Chetelain - NASA

 

Scott Carpenter -NASA

 

ALL believe in your so called nonsense. I guess being a eye witness, would make them believe.

 

 

[damkia]

Just spent half an hour going through the book "Dark Mission": by Richard C Hoagland trying to find the quote made publicly by Buzz Aldrin which was very telling, along the lines that Dazza was saying. It's 600 pages but some very interesting reading. These photos were taken by Astronaut Cernan on a crater on the Moon they named Shorty.They are NASA photos which Hoadland downloaded from the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal website, so you should be able to download hi res versions also.

He names it Data's head - it's clearly mechanical, and he suggests the red section is either painted or anodized.

 

Not too sure if this will blow up enough here, but in the book you can clearly see the skull shape lying in the upper left area of the wider view.

 

Hoagland describes the very strange commentary of the astronauts as they walk through the crater, and very strange behaviour from Cernan when answering questions back on earth

 

What you see in the top photo definitely has the appearance of fractured metal strewn across the floor of the crater - not something expected on the moon.

 

One thing that puzzles me about the photo of the "skull" is that there is no other remains with it, nor are there any footprints around it suggesting a disturbance of a body or placement of a skull (Neil Armstrong's footsteps are still visible 40 yrs later, and there are craters there to suggest millions of years can pass without disturbance), coupled with the lack of any atmosphere able to sustain life to the point of enabling microbial decomposition, or weather (winds) capable of blowing dust onto any other remains. There is insufficient metal visible to suggest that a spaceship of ome sort could have been constructed with it, and there is no atmosphere to burn it up (No re-entry destruction). The red pigmented areas in the photo and the metallic debris could be a mineral streak through the "skull" (and surrounding "meteors"?). Why is there only a skull remaining?

 

I'll believe it is a skull when these most basic questions are answered.

 

As stated previously I do believe we are not alone, but I doubt that this is an example of "someone else".

 

 

[turboplanner]

The suggestion is that it's part of a wreckage field, and the transcript shows some intriguing comments from the two astronauts. You're quite right about footprints etc.

 

I went through another couple of hundred photos of EVA2 early this morning and found some metallic glints and odd shapes but the Hasselblad series I need were not on that website.

 

 

[damkia]

The suggestion is that it's part of a wreckage field, and the transcript shows some intriguing comments from the two astronauts. You're quite right about footprints etc.I went through another couple of hundred photos of EVA2 early this morning and found some metallic glints and odd shapes but the Hasselblad series I need were not on that website.

Once again, there is no atmosphere to cause friction on any object that would be trapped by gravity and forward motion, therefore no wreckage field as we would know it here on earth. I would have expected to see far more intact remains.

As for an oblique hit there is no evidence of massive gouges in the surrounding environment, only as stated, a crater.

 

 

[turboplanner]

I'll see if I can get you some links on Shorty Crater, and the very strange dialogue between the astronauts.

 

There is gravity, and there have been reports of earthbound observations of gas clouds, but there's no suggestion from Hoagland as to how these bits and pieces, which include other non-rock type material got there.

 

At this stage I've just been looking for original NASA photos of the bottom of Shorty, to get some verification.

 

I've gone through Hasselblad Magazines 137/C and 145/D both in colour and both covering EVA2 in Shorty Crater, but what I'm looking for is Data's Head and some red colouring to that limited area 145/D includes the departure from the site, so what I'm searching for now are Hasselblad magazines 138 thru 144.

 

Hoagland is not suggesting these are human remains by the way, but artificial machinery.

 

 

[farri]

Does anyone really believe this nonsense? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland

How about this one? http://hilarion.com/michel.html

 

At the time Michel says he was abducted, he was living at Deeral.

 

Frank.

 

 

[damkia]

...no suggestion from Hoagland as to how these bits and pieces, which include other non-rock type material got there.

Interesting, I would have thought that the possibility of one of our own pieces of space debris (fragment of a rocket stage?) could be the most likely cause. It would not be inconceivable given that we have evidence on Earth of martian rocks from the debris thrown up from meteor impacts of Mars.

 

I think a lot of the old explanations or lack thereof need to be reviewed in light of recently acquired scientific knowledge.

 

 

[turboplanner]

http://www.enterprisemission.com/datashead.htm

 

This is from the Hoagland website before he wrote the book.