Pacific Ibis Grounding

[dazza 38]

madness! who told you this rumour?

We have heard it from a reliable source.Still a rumour until proven otherwise.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

2 different sources or the same source?

 

 

[dazza 38]

2 different sources or the same source?

Possibly the same source, I dunno, I live in QLD & Ozzie lives in NSW.

 

 

[bilby54]

I heard this a few days ago also which is why I asked the question.

 

Apparently it is also happening in SAAA but cannot confirm

 

 

[Guest john]

If a committee member or staff member of RAAus owned or crosshired a Pacific Ibis aircraft, & have paid in good faith, annual registration costs, administartive costs to place the aircraft on the register to RAAus, insurance costs etc, which type aircraft are safe & reliable & flying in several countries around the world ,would they be taking the same course of action as presently being undertaken or would they have first discreetly considered their own financial investment in this type aircraft & sought a more diplomatic solution before acting in haste as their actions have been to date ?

 

I fail to comprehend how these type aircraft which are safe & reliable can be grounded overnight in Australia with a stroke of a pen & no where else in the world simply because of paperwork & bullshit, when we all live on the same planet & fly across the same skies.

 

Because the elected RAAus committee is bringing the organisation to its knees, it is obvious that RAAus will be its own worst enemy in the near future & will go down the same path of GA, that is to self destruction.

 

 

[metalman]

I heard this a few days ago also which is why I asked the question.Apparently it is also happening in SAAA but cannot confirm

The SAAA is not administering rego's or licences,,,it's pretty much a club,,,,CASA rego's experimental aircraft

 

 

[bilby54]

I could not get any info from Canberra last week because there was another CASA audit happening.

 

Ok, so the people from CASA who are doing all of the 'auditing' are both ex Ops Mangers and one was CEO of RAAus.

 

Does anyone think something is amiss here?

 

If it smells like crap..... and looks like crap.....

 

 

[Guest john]

It goes to show that when little people get into positions of power, sometimes the power of that position goes to their head .

 

Let me give you an example.

 

In the August 2010 edition of the RAAus magazine which has on the front cover a full colour image of an Ibis Aircraft, for which RAAus has been invoicing & receiving advertisising money, a statement in this magazine edition was made, that read as follows :

 

",,,,,,,,,Well the answer is that all all accidents , fatal or not, are preventable in some way shape or form".

 

What a stupid & ridiculous statement from a so called person who held a responsibile position of power in RAAus .

 

If that person believes the abovementioned statement can be fulfilled, then they would have to ground all aircraft around the world from the rag & tube to the Airbus A380, which of course is a definition of an impossibility.

 

If in the event they were successful in achieving the grounding of all aircraft around the world, (which of course will never occurr while my ass points to the ground), they would then claim that their useless highly paid jobs must remain in situ so that they can carry out surveillance work to ensure that all aircraft remain grounded so that a 100% safety record is retained. They would then think that they have achieved a perfect safety record to justify giving themselves a massive raise in salary using our money of course because they have bugger all in kitty as Julia has spent most of it already.

 

 

[turboplanner]

I could not get any info from Canberra last week because there was another CASA audit happening.Ok, so the people from CASA who are doing all of the 'auditing' are both ex Ops Mangers and one was CEO of RAAus.

Does anyone think something is amiss here?

 

If it smells like crap..... and looks like crap.....

Interesting thought, when delving into why subscriptions went up so much 18 months of so ago, information came to light that nearly half the cost had allegedly gone to one of these people in circumstances which I certainly would not have approved.

 

 

[winsor68]

This has been discussed years ago... disseminated fully on this site... The odds are that these ex Ra Aus ops personnel didn't go to CASA "by accident"...

 

 

[bilby54]

This has been discussed years ago... disseminated fully on this site... The odds are that these ex Ra Aus ops personnel didn't go to CASA "by accident"...

Interesting that the Ibis was approved to fly legally on their watch.......

 

 

[turboplanner]

...has the blood hound sniffed a scent?

 

 

[Guest Crezzi]

",,,,,,,,,Well the answer is that all all accidents , fatal or not, are preventable in some way shape or form".

What a stupid & ridiculous statement from a so called person who held a responsibile position of power in RAAus .

I'm not sure I agree 100% with the statement (& I recognise that you have a major axe to grind with RAAus) but your outrage is entirely inappropriate.

 

Please post a link to an aircraft accident investigation which concluded that the outcome was inevitable.

 

Cheers

 

John

 

 

[Teckair]

I'm not sure I agree 100% with the statement (& I recognise that you have a major axe to grind with RAAus) but your outrage is entirely inappropriate.Please post a link to an aircraft accident investigation which concluded that the outcome was inevitable.

 

Cheers

 

John

I agree that was a stupid thing to say, even if you grounded all aircraft sooner or later there would be some sort of accident with one or more which could not be prevented. How could anybody post a link to an accident investigation when the investigations are carried out by the police and kept secret from us?

Richard.

 

 

[bilby54]

I think this is a case of "If you haven't heard a rumour before smoko then start one before lunch"

 

I contacted RAA office and the lovely lady on the phone said that she had fielded a few of these calls today and NO, RAAus has no plans to ground the fleet and does not know where the rumour came from.......

 

 

[turboplanner]

This subject has continued on another thread, but an anonymous "lovely lady" isn't acceptable for such a critical rumour. The questions really are: Where was the CEO? Why didn't he squash this rumour, or confirm it was not a rumour? With the benefit of unfolding events, What brought on this action? and finally, for the members, How much longer are you going to risk your future interests?

 

 

[bilby54]

C'mon TP.... the CEO won't write anything in the magazine so he might be a bit outclassed trying to stop a rumour mill!! :)

 

There is nothing on the website; nothing written in the last magazine about grounding the Ibis fleet and looks like business as usual - except for those with an expensive piece of aluminium taking up parking space. No wonder rumours start!

 

 

[turboplanner]

C'mon TP.... the CEO won't write anything in the magazine so he might be a bit outclassed trying to stop a rumour mill!! :)

You're right, but how much are you paying him to sit back?

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Not enough?

 

 

[turboplanner]

I might agree with your line of thinking FT, but you do need someone in charge every day.

 

 

[cooperplace]

are pacific ibis aircraft still grounded?

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

I believe so

 

 

[bilby54]

are pacific ibis aircraft still grounded?

Yes..... but they are still being re-registered with all the requirements for photo's and placards which they had in place anyway..... and of course, the cheque!!

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

Yes..... but they are still being re-registered with all the requirements for photo's and placards which they had in place anyway..... and of course, the cheque!!

Hmmm not sure I understand that...

My understanding is that IBIS are grounded and as such cant be registration renewed. I understand that your cheque is cashed/credit card charged only when all the boxed in the renewal process are ticked and its the last thing they do as the renewal is put in the mail.

 

So... I dont beleive they are being "re-registered"...Ispoke about this in general to the Tech Manager yesterday as he drove to Temora...

 

Or have I got it wrong? as you understand it?

 

Andy

 

 

[bilby54]

The aircraft is not mine but I have been the care and maintenance man since it was grounded and looking after a 'dead' aircraft has issues for me and the owner.

 

The aircraft is being 're-registered' as it does tick all the boxes as required..... the registration process does not ask for a copy of the approved C of A.

 

To the best of my knowledge there has been no contact from the tech Manager and it would be sort of another legal minefield to deny registration even though it cannot legally fly.