CASA vs RAA governance

[shags_j]

Hi All,

 

Just got to thinking. Noone seems to want a move to CASA for governance of what we do. Just to pose a question: Why is that YOU do not want to be governed by CASA?

 

 

[Teckair]

Hi All,Just got to thinking. Noone seems to want a move to CASA for governance of what we do. Just to pose a question: Why is that YOU do not want to be governed by CASA?

CASA are regarded as bad news that is why the AUF was started, unfortunately the AUF was hijacked by people with self interest. If we had have stayed with affordable ultralight aircraft none of this hopeless mess would be happening.

 

 

[eightyknots]

Where is the drive to encourage the futures leaders and go-getters?

Where indeed????

 

 

[David Isaac]

Where indeed????

Part of the problem:

The Board positions are voluntary

 

There are too many Board positions

 

The executive tend to act independent of the Board because there are too many of them

 

Those of us who are truly interested and capable lead very busy lives and have wives we have to answer to

 

There is too much self interest being served by a few

 

For some reason the Executive appear to behave as if they are 'above' the membership

 

The executive appear to behave as if they are accountable to NO person

 

 

[shags_j]

Still haven't seen any reasons why CASA governance would be bad... (just curious why other people don't want it. I have my own reasons)

 

 

[Teckair]

Still haven't seen any reasons why CASA governance would be bad... (just curious why other people don't want it. I have my own reasons)

You would have to be born yesterday to think CASA is a good idea, just check the decline of GA. If you want to find out about CASA just get a GA license and plane all will be revealed.

 

 

[ave8rr]

You would have to be born yesterday to think CASA is a good idea, just check the decline of GA. If you want to find out about CASA just get a GA license and plane all will be revealed.

I have a GA licence and plane (Experimental) and have had NO hassles. No annual Rego bill or membership fees and now a RAA style medical as well.

Cheers

 

 

[Teckair]

I have a GA licence and plane (Experimental) and have had NO hassles. No annual Rego bill or membership fees and now a RAA style medical as well.Cheers

Great now we have CASA and all the BS that goes with it as a possibility, the final nail in the coffin for affordable flying.

 

 

[Admin]

Personally I think all this CASA fear is built up into something that it is not...perhaps from the "regulated" GA style of flying. The only difference I see between the two is with RAA you have less training due to non-controlled airspace, no medical at all and you can do your own maintenance. If CASA was to take over:

 

- the medical is nothing with just a local doc sign off...you should be seeing your loc doc at least once a year for a check up anyway

 

- the uproar would be so great that CASA would have to keep the 10hr min training (for non-controlled airspace) and the owner maintenance

 

That is all, that I can think of, is the difference, so really there wouldn't be that much "real" difference and you have no registration and licensing fees, still have the option if you want to go further, of CTA with PPL...BUT, if CASA didn't continue the min hrs and maintenance then that would be a different story as these are the only 2 "real" benefits of RAA but you pay for it in cash

 

 

[Mick]

The only difference I see between the two is with RAA you have less training due to non-controlled airspace, no medical at all If CASA was to take over:- the medical is nothing with just a local doc sign off...you should be seeing your loc doc at least once a year for a check up anyway

That is all, that I can think of, is the difference, so really there wouldn't be that much "real" difference

Ian, don't kid yourself about this "Drivers License" medical that has been introduced. If you read all the fine print of conditions it is basically a class 2 medical but is done by a GP not a DAME. It does not allow people with many common conditions to be issued with it. For example insulin dependant diabetics will not be allowed to have it, yet we are allowed to fly under RAAus if it is controlled and with appropriate approvals by our GP's and/or specialists.

 

To me this is a very real difference, under RAAus I can fly, under CASA I can't. There are many other conditions that are also excluded.

 

 

[Admin]

I haven't looked up the differences and only going by what I had heard...all the promotion was on a medical like a car license so I am obviously not up with the finer detail of it...sorry

 

 

[Mick]

I am obviously not up with the finer detail of it...sorry

What? As if you have had other things on your mind!!!!!!

 

 

[ruffasguts]

I haven't looked up the differences and only going by what I had heard...all the promotion was on a medical like a car license so I am obviously not up with the finer detail of it...sorry

the one problem with this site is all the opinions being aired by people who later openly admit they dont know /heard it from some one else

please get the facts before posting so as to maintain the integrity of this forum

 

Mick W

 

 

[shags_j]

LOL. Yeah Ian. You need to upkeep the integrity of this forum

 

 

[kaz3g]

I have a GA licence and plane (Experimental) and have had NO hassles. No annual Rego bill or membership fees and now a RAA style medical as well.Cheers

Me too! (Antique, not Exp).

 

Kaz

 

 

[shags_j]

So just to sum up so far...

 

Medical MAY be an issue to some people (those with diabetes). Anything else?

 

 

[Bandit12]

I've been governed by CASA for 12 years now....hasn't ruined my life yet. Looked at joining RA-Aus a couple of times but waiting to see whether some of the concerns are going to be resolved before I hand over my cash. I'll freely admit that hiring GA aircraft isn't cheap, but neither is being alive these days.

 

 

[turboplanner]

If you're going to be serious CFI, then subtract a big lump for the less house it takes to train in a GA aircrft

 

 

[ave8rr]

Great now we have CASA and all the BS that goes with it as a possibility, the final nail in the coffin for affordable flying.

What "possible" CASA BS?

 

Experimental (owner built) = own maintenance. Not forced to belong to an association to fly and No annual registration fees. How can that not be affordable?

 

The new Road Transport type medical issued by a GP may be a little more thorough but if I was required to take insulin or have other medical issues that would preclude me from obtaining a Class 2 medical then it would be time to hand in my Certificate. I certainly would not be carrying any passengers.

 

Please don't think I am saying we should go down this path at all, just like others, I am putting out some thoughts for this thread.

 

I am a current member of RAAus and have been since 2004 and would like to see RA continue however, we need to have more communication from the Board / Exec.

 

Cheers

 

 

[ave8rr]

hi Shane...what did your last medical cost?...and the asic card....and the AFR...and the aero club membership..and ....i could go on...yes! GA ain't cheap....its generally RAA + 100%!!...pay the membership and enjoy the benefits. TWICE as much flying for the SAME cost....what do u want? hours in the logbook...OR..$ out of the bank account??Your choice.

cfi, RAA still requires an ASIC in the places GA also require one (same cost). Not required to belong to an aeroclub. AFR required for RAA and GA. I will agree that the aircraft hire rates are quite different between a modern RAA aircraft and an old PA28/C172 etc hence $ out of the bank account!

Cheers

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

What "possible" CASA BS?Experimental (owner built) = own maintenance. Not forced to belong to an association to fly and No annual registration fees. How can that not be affordable?

The new Road Transport type medical issued by a GP may be a little more thorough but if I was required to take insulin or have other medical issues that would preclude me from obtaining a Class 2 medical then it would be time to hand in my Certificate. I certainly would not be carrying any passengers.

Ave8rr can I suggest that you probably dont understand diabetes (where insulin is required) that well. I have been type 1 for 17 years and in that time well controlled. Enough so that I could drive a Ford F250 where ever I wanted.......I suggest that an F250 out of control in suburbia is likely to create much more havoc than a Jaby in the country.......As to not carrying passengers....why not? My family flys with me and gets in the car as well.

 

There are limitations and safety things to be considered, but if you consider them and meet the medical standard then I dont know why it should be an issue.

 

Or, to put it another way, at the same time you would be handing in your certificate and no longer flying will you also hand in your drivers licnese?......Remember that Im type 1 but many type 2 (middle aqge onset) diabetics also are insulin controlled......almost none of them dont drive as a direct result , they probably like me, have a medical check each year to specifically assess if I can continue to drive (and fly) for another year.

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

 

[Mick]

The new Road Transport type medical issued by a GP may be a little more thorough

If you think it is only "a little more thorough" you should have a read to all the conditions. It excludes many conditions permitted under a class 2.

 

if I was required to take insulin or have other medical issues that would preclude me from obtaining a Class 2 medical then it would be time to hand in my Certificate. I certainly would not be carrying any passengers.

I am positive that your attitude about this will change when you get some form of very managable medical condition that requires only minor changes to your lifestyle to be kept completely under control but you cannot get a class 2 medical. For example technology has provided improvements in the management of type 1 (insulin dependant) diabetes that I could never imagined 20 years ago when I was diagnosed when a fit 21 year old.

 

 

[shags_j]

And on the cost to fly.... Only expensive because most GA run old cessna's or tommohawks etc. I think more VH rego'd tecnams etc will be setup in the future (no reason not to) and the flying will be just as cheap. I believe there already are a number of these.

 

Of course if you own your own, surely the costs are the same?

 

 

[Guest john]

And on the cost to fly.... Only expensive because most GA run old cessna's or tommohawks etc. I think more VH rego'd tecnams etc will be setup in the future (no reason not to) and the flying will be just as cheap. I believe there already are a number of these.Of course if you own your own, surely the costs are the same?

1.Concerning the proposed CASA Recreational Licence, you will still need to undergo a medical examination by your GP, similar to the existing aviation medical, & if you look at the CASA documentation for this new type medical on their web site you will see that it is not as straight forward as you might be thinking, which you will have to pay for as compared to the self assessment medical RAA form that we all compile & sign.

2. If you own a private GA aircraft that conforms to the CASA specifications for the operations of this type aircraft with a GA Recreational Licence you certainly don't pay rego or licence fees, but you are still subjected to annual periodic inspections by LAME's & according to the enquiries I have made to date there is nothing on the drawing board that CASA is going to delete this requirement. Recent actual costs for peridic inspections by LAME's that I know of are as follows:

 

C150-$7k

 

C172RG-$13.5K

 

3. I recently made enquiries with a GA CFI to update my perpetual GA licenece to the new CASA recreational licence, & he told me that after speaking with a CASA staf:tongue in cheek:f member that it would be at least 2 years before this new recreational licence is implemented . Of course CASA can move the goal posts at any time to suit themselves, & we as lost sheep can follow them if we so decide.

 

 

[68volksy]

1. Don't know where you're getting your information from but I think that's way off. Local DAME pilot at the airport has issued several of the new style medicals and it's a one-page document with the sign-off that you're fit to drive a motor vehicle. Any RA licence holder who signs the "fit to drive a motor vehicle statement" should legally have had the same exam done by a GP first or they'll find themselves getting sued should something go wrong.

 

2. You'd be up for the same costs if you paid a LAME/L2 to inspect your RA-Aus registered aircraft. Some people actually do not do their own maintenance and have no desire to. I will never vote for that requirement to be removed - there are too many aircraft of questionable integrity in the air as it is.

 

3. Not sure whether the CFI or the CASA staff member was confused but there will be no "new licence" so to speak. Simply a removal or alteration of the restrictions that are currently in place - such as the alterations to the requirement for a medical that is currently underway.

 

A dislike of CASA will get RA-Aus nowhere in all of this. It's only by the good grace of CASA that the organisation exists at all and the more the director gets pissed off the tighter the leash will be pulled.