Human Reaction Time

[geoffreywh]

I just watched a very interesting you tube video about gun fights, and, believe it or not it relates DIRECTLY to flying training. I was amazed that I have not been taught about this during instruction in Human Factors for instance. Have a look at tell me what you think of it. The video can be found under The OODA Loop -Human Reaction Time......Scary/Funny as well...Geoff

 

(see post #3 below for video - Ian)

 

 

[rgmwa]

I have a copy of John Boyd's biography ("Boyd - the fighter pilot who changed the art of war") by Robert Coram. It's a very interesting read. He was a gifted pilot, very smart, obsessive, and seemed to become increasingly eccentric as he got older.

 

rgmwa

 

 

[turboplanner]

Here's the link

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0hj8h3IoxY

 

How much more accepted would Human Factors be with this added as a study subject.

 

The life's decisions role playing rings so true and applies directly to safer flying.

 

I've experienced the denial response which delays reaction time from 25/100 second to two or three seconds, when I was doing quite well in a championship race and from my peripheral vision at around 130 km/hr saw a rear wheel moving forward ahead of the chassis. A radius rod had broken and instead of instantly shutting down to prevent the car being thrown into the air, I lifted off slightly and the wheel went back then opened the throttle slightly and the wheel went forward, and finally the light bulb went off that my race was over - only took about two seconds for this to happen but if the crack had been at the front of the radius rod I would have been airborne.

 

Diverting someone's attention was also well explained by the hit in the nuts.

 

His explanation of when someone has a gun pointed at you (clearly ahead of your ability to draw your own gun) stepping aside and drawing your gun and shooting him before he has reacted (because of the attention diversion) has parallels in the things we do flying to keep ahead of the aircraft, acting by subconscious before something develops rather than chasing it after it has already developed.

 

Maybe this thread should be retitled "Human Factors - Here's something to talk about it" so it comes up in searches better

 

 

[geoffreywh]

I think you are right. I thought about what I had seen and heard overnight and came to the conclusion that the information contained in the video is very important in decision making. I also thought about what he said ..."First train, then practise what you have trained for".....The "hit in the nuts" would work very well as an example for an instructor. Divert the trainee's attention to outside the aeroplane then close the throttle.......I also add the definition of Hick's Law....Hick's Law is simply a reference to show how decision-making time is impacted by the amount of choices we have available. If we have time to ponder them- fine! If not, if time is critical, then simplified options, fewer options improves reaction time............................Maybe Ian can rename the thread?

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Thanks for posting this resource, fellas. We are not in gunfight situations, but the lessons are valid because the stakes are similarly high.

 

The bit I drew from this was "Skills that are not learned under at least some stress, cannot be replicated under stress."

 

I will be hammering this into my rescue trainees who grumble about doing exercises in uncomfortable conditions.

 

Applied to flying, I plan to do lots more circuit training in dodgy conditions.

 

 

[LimaMike08]

Real reaction time test....punch him in the nuts first. Don't you instructors get any ideas!

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

I found that video very informative and can be applied to anything be it sport of life/death situations.....fantastic human factors info....I know I will be working on some of that for sure....opens up a whole new way to look at things

 

 

[Deskpilot]

A dam good presentation.........and he only swore once. Not bad for a "toughy"

 

 

[djpacro]

If anyone wants any dry reading from USA's FAA Pilot Handbook on Aeronautical Decision -Making - online here with OODA on page 17-16.

 

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aviation/pilot_handbook/media/phak%20-%20chapter%2017.pdf

 

 

[Ballpoint 246niner]

I use the 3R's

 

RECOGNISE- identify that something is wrong, changed or needs attention.

 

REACT-Do something!! Don't just sit there (denial, disbelief, what tha!) The correct reaction can be trained in.

 

REPAIR- Fix the problem AND ReAssess.

 

Remember in life there are generally 3 types of people-

 

Those that MAKE things happen

 

Those that LET things happen

 

And finally those that just say....... "WHAT HAPPENED"

 

Good airmen should be in the first type I would suggest....

 

 

[turboplanner]

....and you need CURRENCY Ballpoint.

 

Hadn't done paddock cleanup for two or three years and was burning timber yesterday and my natural caution wasn't where it usually is.

 

Picked up a length of timber, but the fire had crept along underneath it.

 

I was holding the time, thought "what's that", then realised by finger were burning - blisters on every finger now.

 

A classic case of failing the REACT phase.

 

 

[facthunter]

Is someone who moves a switch and says " I wonder what happens when you extend the flaps at FL 310"someone who makes things happen? Nev

 

 

[turboplanner]

A real get up and go person!

 

 

[facthunter]

Get up and go home and stay away from aeroplanes. Nev

 

 

[Ballpoint 246niner]

Is someone who moves a switch and says " I wonder what happens when you extend the flaps at FL 310"someone who makes things happen? Nev

:roflmao:you bet a real mover and shaker

 

 

[turboplanner]

So what did they call you FH?

 

 

[facthunter]

I honestly can't recall Turb. I probably wouldn't take a lot of notice of a classification but I recall being not too critical of it. ( As to it's accuracy) You have to get into a superhonest frame of mind and I would be somewhat sceptical of the general persons ability to find the cruel introspection required, to assess themselves. Also to be able to live with what they find. I am sure some have done it and it is nice to find that absolute honesty in some autobiographical stuff.

 

Having others on may be fun but having yourself on is a bit pathetic but concerning flying, probably outright dangerous.

 

You do have to make it happen. That doesn't mean get there itis. Making it happen might be cancelling out and going tomorrow when the weather is legal and safe, so you are making a SAFE flight happen, so in the big picture, can do is more considered. In flying you have to have enough confidence to not handicap yourself. If you really don't think you can do it you should not be there. Nev

 

 

[turboplanner]

Hi Qwerty!