Emergency general meeting

[Admin]

Here is a screen shot of my monitoring of that page but also note that for example the other day CASA released an AD in their list of between 11th and 24th Jan for TECNAM P92, P96, and P2002 Series Aeroplanes for Stabilizers – Stabilator Trim Tab Hinge Supports – Inspection but it isn't listed on the RAAus web site yet...I really am disgruntled with the very much lack of focus on Safety by RAAus, their web site and everything else going on with them...let's hope no Tecnam comes to grief due to this latest notice and ends up leaving loved ones behind

 

 

 

[John G]

Hi Everyone,

 

Due to a lot of requests by RA-Aus members in my local area I have decided to bite the bullet and attend the RA-Aus General Meeting at Queanbeyan on the 9th February.

 

I have had a number of people who trust my judgement request that I act as their proxy at the meeting.

 

I am happy to accept any proxies from members of this site who have not as yet made up their mind as to who should hold their proxy vote.

 

If you would like me to hold your proxy vote you need to complete it and Email it to me before Friday.

 

My details are:

 

Email

 

[email protected]

 

Details of proxy Holder: John Gardon

 

PO Box 154

 

Wardell NSW 2477

 

Member #5334

 

You also need to select whether you wish me to vote in a particular way on each question; or how I see fit, if you trust my judgement.

 

In addition to sending it to me, you need to send it to

 

[email protected]

 

by 09:30 on Friday or I suspect that it will be judged invalid.

 

Regards,

 

John Gardon

 

 

[kaz3g]

Well, you all know where I stand!

 

I'm happy to take your proxies to the meeting and would regard it as a privilege to do so.

 

Kaz

 

 

[Guest ozzie]

Well it won't be long for those who are going to the meeting to begin heading off to Canberra. Please have a safe journey.

 

Don't forget to post links to any bulletins to keep us behind the lines informed. Why do i feel like the members are going into battle?

 

This event is so huge in it's task to find out what has gone wrong and to find those that have driven this association into the mess we are in it all leaves me in awe. Going to be interesting riding on the back of this. This source of this meeting goes back several years when the first cracks in the administration started to appear it has accumulated with the failed audits and the obvious disregard for just about everything by the board. I had hoped we would have been able to sort all this out in 2011 after some pretty intense discussion here on this forum, but unfortunately it had till wait until now. So as it is a question type meeting maybe Dave could ask one question for me to each of the Exec members. This question should be the last one proffered to each of them.

 

Q: And when can we expect your resignation?

 

One extra for Middo.

 

Please explain how you obtained the 19-001 registration when it was already allocated to another aircraft that was under a historical rebuild when the then rule did not allow transfer of numbers. And why did the board change that ruling after my complaint to you on both the 19-001 and the 10-001 rego taken from a Scout, again undergoing restoration and being allocated to the then President Muir's aircraft.

 

Members if the opportunity arises in the future it would be respectful to the 'grass roots' side to have them placed back on their correct aircraft.

 

Remember troops go in loaded for bear. There was once a time when Australia lead the way when it came to design and regulation. We have seemed to slip big time to what seems as a big embarrassment to the rest of the world. We now have the opportunity to restart afresh if need be. To those at the helm please don't put us up on the bricks.

 

ozzie

 

 

[winsor68]

Q: And when can we expect your resignation?

One extra for Middo.

 

Please explain how you obtained the 19-001 registration when it was already allocated to another aircraft that was under a historical rebuild when the then rule did not allow transfer of numbers. And why did the board change that ruling after my complaint to you on both the 19-001 and the 10-001 rego taken from a Scout, again undergoing restoration and being allocated to the then President Muir's aircraft.

 

Members if the opportunity arises in the future it would be respectful to the 'grass roots' side to have them placed back on their correct aircraft.

 

ozzie

I second that Ozzie... Please... Someone ask the question.

 

It is my opinion that this sort of question goes to the very heart of the matter and goes a long way to explain the actions today of some on the Board.

 

 

[Guest Error404]

Nice work John you have now posted your proxy notification probably half a dozen times!

 

The RAA never had an email list. They had a Yahoo group email group called AUF-Chat that you had to specifically sign up to to use. There were very few users on it and in reality it was in the early days of the Internet. It went the way of the dodo like many yahoo groups did at the time due to a decision by the then board. I have just checked my inbox and found absolutely no evidence of commercial posts within the email trails of the former auf chat list, but hey don't let the facts get in the way of a good story though.

 

Back at the time the raa rejected working with any other site the raa board agreed not to get involved with any established site because of the commercial interests of those sites. This site has clear commercial interests, private ownership and is clearly marketed as independent of raa so there is no way they would ever get involved with it.

 

Everyone knows that the raaus website is a work in progress at the moment kindly being worked on by Bas Scheffers at mates rates as a contribution to raaus. The first port of call with issues on the raaus site would be the raaus or the site administrator via the links provided. Emailing CASA to voice disapproval of the raaus website is undermining the association of which we are all members. Lets all work together at helping the raa and not trying to tear it apart from a dozen and a half different angles.

 

Rant over.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

one million in the bank and they won't pay for a web developer. where is the logic in that?

 

 

[Guest Error404]

They are paying, it's just being done at a good rate. Unfortunately the previous contractor didnt finish the job so the current contractor is only using what was left for him.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

why can't they just get it finished? the current state is less than optimal for users.

 

seems like the exec are incapable of running the RAA

 

 

[turboplanner]

They are paying, it's just being done at a good rate. Unfortunately the previous contractor didnt finish the job so the current contractor is only using what was left for him.

How do you know? Got some inside information?

 

 

[winsor68]

How much did they pxxx up against the wall against all advice to pay the original contractor??? Bas Scheffers offered to do it for the same fee he is charging now at the beginning.

 

You may have most of the facts correct Error... but you left out the part about how the Board made a complete hash of it and then Bas stepped in to save their bacon... absolutely nothing to do with any good management from the board... move like the good will and upstanding actions of a fine upstanding member who has made a contribution way above and beyond... and I would be willing to lay money on the fact that he is not happy with the Executive... I vote BAS for President!!!

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Have you noticed that the exec doesn't care if the outcome is successful or a failure?

 

They only started updating the website when we started complaining about what a POS the old the one was. Little did we realise that they could indeed make it less functional!

 

Has the website update has dragged on for almost 2 years?

 

 

[Guest Error404]

Oh I never said anyone did a good job of the whole website contract :-) I was saying what happened based on my memory from what I recall reading in the magazine quite a while back. It was all a little strange, they had milestone payments and it all seemed like a good deal but then the company walked out legally from the contract. Perhaps it was a lot more work than they first thought and they felt that they had under quoted. There aren't a lot of other explanations.

 

Turboplanner, there is no conspiracy theory, I was approached by my local board member based on my extensive web development experience however I was unable to assist as I was overseas at the time. This has been a well reported issue in the magazine if you have read it.

 

 

[cazza]

Hope we members can make a change for the better.

 

Caz-

 

 

[winsor68]

I was saying what happened based on my memory from what I recall reading in the magazine quite a while back.

This is a big part of the problem... The magazine has been used as a one sided political mouthpiece.

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

Oh I never said anyone did a good job of the whole website contract :-) I was saying what happened based on my memory from what I recall reading in the magazine quite a while back. It was all a little strange, they had milestone payments and it all seemed like a good deal but then the company walked out legally from the contract. Perhaps it was a lot more work than they first thought and they felt that they had under quoted. There aren't a lot of other explanations.Turboplanner, there is no conspiracy theory, I was approached by my local board member based on my extensive web development experience however I was unable to assist as I was overseas at the time. This has been a well reported issue in the magazine if you have read it.

404, to suggest (by inference) that the magazine is a good source of unbiased and complete information has me doing the ROFLMAO thing! If on the other hand you are looking for platitudes and motherhood soothing comments that gloss over reality then read away to your hearts content, try not to let too much sand get in your mouth while doing the Ostridge thing!

 

For it to be truthful and fair IMHO would require that:-

 

1) The editor/publisher not be operating on a margin so slim that anything that would prevent Joe public buying a copy at the local newsagent is the first thought when determining if a letters to the editor or an article can be presented. (infighting damages sales to non members!)

 

2) The board left editorial "adjustment" to the editor and didnt have right of Veto WRT to non conforming content themselves.

 

3) When ever anything questioning board actions or behaviours is published they immediately provide a right of reply to themselves but never the other way! They always have the last word and then a month or more likely 2 due deadlines before we can refute...

 

So excuse me while I cynically reflect on the likelyhood of the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth being included about the previous website authoring contract in our magazine.

 

Regards

 

Andy

 

 

[Admin]

Nice work John you have now posted your proxy notification probably half a dozen times!The RAA never had an email list. They had a Yahoo group email group called AUF-Chat that you had to specifically sign up to to use. There were very few users on it and in reality it was in the early days of the Internet. It went the way of the dodo like many yahoo groups did at the time due to a decision by the then board. I have just checked my inbox and found absolutely no evidence of commercial posts within the email trails of the former auf chat list, but hey don't let the facts get in the way of a good story though.

 

Back at the time the raa rejected working with any other site the raa board agreed not to get involved with any established site because of the commercial interests of those sites. This site has clear commercial interests, private ownership and is clearly marketed as independent of raa so there is no way they would ever get involved with it.

 

Everyone knows that the raaus website is a work in progress at the moment kindly being worked on by Bas Scheffers at mates rates as a contribution to raaus. The first port of call with issues on the raaus site would be the raaus or the site administrator via the links provided. Emailing CASA to voice disapproval of the raaus website is undermining the association of which we are all members. Lets all work together at helping the raa and not trying to tear it apart from a dozen and a half different angles.

 

Rant over.

Error404...please stop ranting as what you have tried to portray as factual information is pure fairy tale and you seem to have so little of actual fact...if you are here to cause trouble with innuendo and fairy tales in an attempt to con the users of this site then please move on back to pprune where you like to hang out

 

 

[turboplanner]

Thought so.

 

 

[Guest ozzie]

Haven't seen anything on pprune on the RAAus problems. Strange as this sort of thing is right up their alley. The warbird drama has had some airing.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

wait till the EGM gets some steam up!

 

 

[facthunter]

Do you really think so FT?

 

If things are done correctly it may just go along as it should. It is a meeting with notice and procedures should prevent it being a "gunfight at OK Corrall". Nev

 

 

[fly_tornado]

The exec benefit the most if the meeting descends into chaos...

 

 

[nomadpete]

The exec benefit the most if the meeting descends into chaos...

A good point, FT,

 

So it will be up to the members present to be aware of the possibility that the exec may be the only ones trying to turn a normal, constitutional meeting into some sort of angry disruptive dispute. The people that I know are heading to the ACT are level headed and unlikely to fall for any of that rot, should it happen. I would dearly like to be there myself but I have complete trust in the integrity of my proxy, and have accordingly contributed to their expenses. Thank you gents, (you know who you are).