Virago Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 Just saw this on Yahoo 7 news: http://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/latest/a/-/newshome/15776368/student-pilot-lands-aircraft-after-losing-wheel/ Oleo leg scissor links are a weakness on PA-28's. They crack through at the bolt holes. John.
ausadvance Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 yeah i saw this on my gliding club page. for an experienced pilot, very well handled, for a student, incredibly well handled, for the students mum......good luck getting the stains out of those pants! 1
ports Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 I absolutely agree, looked very well handled indeed. Doesn't sound like it just well handled by the pilot, but those on the ground as well. Well done to all involved. 1
Virago Posted January 7, 2013 Author Posted January 7, 2013 Yes, I fully agree ... very well handled and a best possible outcome. John.
seb7701 Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 Very well done! I am honestly curious - although no evidence of fire etc, would one tend to kill those mags/fuel and get the hell out of there?? 1
ausadvance Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 I think it's one of those times when you can think that's what you should probably do......the very minute you scan moe again... 1
Neville75 Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 Very well done!I am honestly curious - although no evidence of fire etc, would one tend to kill those mags/fuel and get the hell out of there?? Yeah thought the same, in fact I'm surprised he didn't shutdown the engine and glide her in with everything switched off beforehand. I'm around the same tt as the pilot and fly pa28's too, so this was a real case of "what would I do" and how would I approach the landing. Quite a valuable exercise. He certainly would have had a good deal of time to think through - 4 hrs to use up fuel. Pilot did a great job. Very lucky he wasn't departing from an uncontrolled field and knew about his problem. 1
turboplanner Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 He was Chinese and a long way from his mum, His instructor was telling him what to do through an interpreter, so all the more credit to everyone, and they had about four hours to plan things like the approach, door opening, engine cut, and fire truck action, and it was still a great effort for all this to happen in a text book finish.
facthunter Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 4 hours to stew about it and get all tense and exhausted. He didn't close the throttle fully and should have cut the mags. A few other things make me think he was stressed. I don't put this as a criticism in a harsh manner, just mentioning it if anyone else is ever involved in something like this. Nev 1
IanR Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 I have been thinking about this one re cutting mags, etc. To be honest if I was in the same situation I would land with the engine still running - gives you the extra options for keeping wheel off as long as possible. Once down then off and out !! 1
facthunter Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 A selection of crosswind would help that. In rough landing areas I would keep the engine going and active to have more landing control options . On a sealed runway things are more predictable so you want to be fairly slow and able to keep it on the runway and pull it up . ( directional control and braking) I can't see why you would need power and the fire aspect of it is pretty paramount.Nev 1
dutchroll Posted January 7, 2013 Posted January 7, 2013 I have been thinking about this one re cutting mags, etc. To be honest if I was in the same situation I would land with the engine still running - gives you the extra options for keeping wheel off as long as possible. Once down then off and out !! I agree. No need to switch off a perfectly good engine until you're absolutely certain that you have no use for it anymore, unless it's burning. You could perhaps argue that he should've switched it off a little sooner than he did, but that's all well and good to say while you're fighting to keep the plane under control on the runway!
dazza 38 Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 With 4 hours of fuel to burn up before the emergency landing. He could have used that time wisely & gone on a NAV & then came back for the landing. 4
storchy neil Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 in this senaro glide aproach out of the question as your speed would be 10 to 15 knts faster no control as i have been in this situation in my plane when i removed the nose wheel on power wires at berrigan and flew 5 miles from wire strike i did shut the motor down but restarted it as soon as i reliezed that on glide aprouch i would be flying at 65 knts when i know that i can land safely at 45 knts with motor against 65 knts on glide aprouch with motor going you have more control for that what if a wind gust floats you ore wind shear just gets in the way as for cutting motor on touch down you would have buckleys as the ride would be to ruff neil
503 Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 what a mess in 4hrs could you have got a mate out there with a van and land on its roof then no engine prop damage haha
dazza 38 Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 I would like to say "I hope that the flying school gives him a discount for the 4 hours of flying around buning off fuel ". But in reality these things can be picked up in preflights.Its just not him, but probably the guys before him as well who flew this aircraft. Cracks grow over time, really hard to spot when under paint. It is all ways good idea to grab a good hold of u/c parts during a preflight and give them a really good pull.(Males have good practise of this) Eyes are great but a good tug can also show you if there is a under lying problem. PS- Maybe not a good idea to mention the above, since I dont know the full story.But I hope the above will get peeps to look with just not their eyes. Dont be afraid to yank on bits of aircraft when doing a pre flight. 2
ausadvance Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 just dont be to far under it when you yank incase she comes down!
seb7701 Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwxoLlQlruU Sorry, seemed like a good time for a trip down memory lane.... 4
Ultralights Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 Watched a Cessna 182 bounce 7 times on landing recently, each time, nose wheel first, followed by a tail strike and then back to earth nose wheel first. The question I was thinking, other than "how on earth did that nose wheel survive 7 hits without breaking?" Was, I wonder if that solo student will report what happened and get the aircraft inspected, or will it just be parked, and used by the next unwitting poor student? I am expecting to hear of a Cessna losing a nose wheel in the near future. 1
Sapphire Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 With 4 hours of fuel to burn up before the emergency landing. He could have used that time wisely & gone on a NAV & then came back for the landing. He coud have gone on a nav elsewhere and done some touch and go's-what a waste. 2
Phil Perry Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 I would like to say "I hope that the flying school gives him a discount for the 4 hours of flying around buning off fuel ". But in reality these things can be picked up in preflights.Its just not him, but probably the guys before him as well who flew this aircraft. Cracks grow over time, really hard to spot when under paint. It is all ways good idea to grab a good hold of u/c parts during a preflight and give them a really good pull.(Males have good practise of this) Eyes are great but a good tug can also show you if there is a under lying problem.. 'Ang on Daz. . . . . . . if the poor guy had "Pulled" too hard on that U/C leg during the preflight. . . , he may well have ended up with a wing on the back of his neck ??????? 1
Phil Perry Posted January 12, 2013 Posted January 12, 2013 He coud have gone on a nav elsewhere and done some touch and go's-what a waste. Sapph. . . . . . . Surely you mean. . . . "TOUCH AND SCRAPES ? " ( ! )
Phil Perry Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 "Scrape 'n Stay" I dunno mate. . . . I once "Scraped" A Buccaneer ( Lake, not bloody great jet bomber ) after forgetting to do my usual " This is a hard landing, so my wheels are down and my floats are up. . . " check on downwind, after allowing myself to be distracted by my passenger throwing up her breakfast all over me new trousers and shirt. . . - I'm not offering this as an excuse, as there really ISN'T one for doing that, BUT, (of course) the touch down was an absolute Grease-SCRAPER, and realising what I'd committed, I changed me mind and went around again. ( ! ) They only charged me a small amount of my personal fortune to fix the floats and the scrape on the hull. . . . . . . . A Scrape 'N' STAY. . . . . might've been a lot more expensive ! ! ! ! ! !! ( Utterly and completely OFF TOPIC. . . . why oh why when someone has had only a boiled egg for breakfast, and they throw up all over you and your pristine instrument panel. . . . . . does it always look like diced carrots ? ? ? ? ? ? ? )
facthunter Posted January 14, 2013 Posted January 14, 2013 Well you won't scrape the prop tips with a Lake so you can go round. what do you call a gear down in water. A plunk and dunk? Nev 1
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