Phil Perry Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Phil,In GA, ATSB investigates accidents, but in recent years has tapered down due to cost and now quite often decides not to investigate. For example there have been several aerobatic fatals involving pilots of the highest standard, where ATSB have said they will not investigate. In RA, incidents are reported to RAA, and fatal crashes are investigated by State and Territory Police who prepare reports geared for the State Coroner and do not release them to the public. At times they call on RAA for some technical advice, but RAA have no control. Infrequently, such as the case of the notorious Ferris Wheel crash, ATSB may decide to investigate an RA crash. Thanks Nev & Turbo for that. In the seventies, there was a publication called the Aviation Safety Digest, or "Crash Comic" as it was affectionately known, . . . . which used to report on thisgs as (arguably) minor as "The nosewheel of the C-172 aircraft finally failed after the pilot had struck the fourth sheep during the landing run. . . ." complete with site measurements and photographs in a glossy mag. . . it's surprising to learn that nowadays some accidents attract no investigation at all, seems like a bit of a backward step that, but perhaps the funding isn't available ? ( I didn't realise the "Ferris Wheel" comment was describing a real event by the way, read it as just a a generic example. ) I'll look for old posts about that on the "Accidents & Incidents" thread as its going a bit off topic here. Thanks Guys.
Phil Perry Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Phil....the same is the case in NZ Where the Transport Accident Investigation Commission (TAIC) investigate as per your CAA. By publishing accident causes, it is hoped lessons will be learned and accidents reduced hence cost affective. That would be the logical conclusion I would have thought, obviously, in some places the politicians are not convinced . . . . . .? Anyway, the politics are possibly very complex and wrong thread for can of worm opening.
GAFA Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 ATSB lists the accidents they are investigating on their website and this accident isn't listed so I don't think they are investigating it.
XP503 Posted January 23, 2013 Author Posted January 23, 2013 I'm surprised you hadn't heard the tale of the ferris wheel yet. It's a good one!
DWF Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 For those who do not have an Ops Manual, here (in part) is what it says about accident and incident reporting. RA-Aus Operations Manual Section 4.08 ACCIDENT AND INCIDENT REPORTING GENERAL Aircraft operated under CAOs 95.10,95.32,95.55 or relevant legislation as amended from time to time are NOT EXEMPT from any of the Transport Safety Act Regulations applicable to accident investigation. ........................................ NOTIFICATION OF ACCIDENTS Where an accident occurs the pilot in command, the owner, and the hirer (if any) shall each be responsible for ensuring that notification of the accident is furnished, by Fax or telephone immediately after the accident, and by written report, as soon as practicable after the accident. ............................ NOTIFICATION OF INCIDENTS Where an incident occurs, the pilot in command, the owner, the operator and the hirer (if any) shall each be responsible for ensuring that a written notification of the incident is furnished to the ATSB within 48 hours of the occurrence. ......................... RA-Aus REQUIREMENTS In addition to the above statutory requirements the following categories of accidents shall be reported to the Operations Manager by the quickest means available (land-line and mobile numbers are published in every issue of the RA-Aus magazine.) Fatal accidents; Accidents incurring serious injury; Accidents causing substantial damage; Accidents in which in-flight structural failure is known or suspected. ............................................ See Section 4.08 for the full story.
Phil Perry Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 For those who do not have an Ops Manual, here (in part) is what it says about accident and incident reporting. Thanks DWF, not so different from the UK then. Phil
Phil Perry Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 I'm surprised you hadn't heard the tale of the ferris wheel yet. It's a good one! Any links available David ? Phil.
ericg Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Hi Phil, per this site, - Aircraft Incidents and Accidents - Old Bar Ferris Wheel Incident Oct 1, 2011 Cheers, Eric
turboplanner Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 ATSB lists the accidents they are investigating on their website and this accident isn't listed so I don't think they are investigating it. ATSB Reference: AO-2011-126 Date of accident: October 1, 2011 Preliminary Report released: 29/11/2011 Follow this link: http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2011/aair/ao-2011-126.aspx
Phil Perry Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Hi Phil,per this site, - Aircraft Incidents and Accidents - Old Bar Ferris Wheel Incident Oct 1, 2011 Cheers, Eric Thank You Eric. . . . . . cheers, Phil P.
Phil Perry Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 ATSB Reference: AO-2011-126Date of accident: October 1, 2011 Preliminary Report released: 29/11/2011 Follow this link: http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2011/aair/ao-2011-126.aspx And Thank you as well Turbo. . . . . . . I Like this forum, . . . . . far better than the Jungle Telegraph. . . . . !
Phil Perry Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 After reading that report, I'm surprised that there were no fatalities, but very glad. . . . . Thanks again. . . Phil
turboplanner Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 It's the brevity of the Preliminary Report and what's coming next that's of most concern to many people Phil.
Phil Perry Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 It's the brevity of the Preliminary Report and what's coming next that's of most concern to many people Phil. Er,. . . . . . could you elaborate on that just a slight bit Turbo, Are you referring to possible repercussions, or did the "Injured" parties not survive beyond the prelim story ?? ( Sorry to appear abit thick. . . . ) Just curious. Thanks. . . Phil
turboplanner Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 They survived Phil; I would expect repercussions from CASA. This is the thread which related to the crash: http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/old-bar-ferris-wheel-incident.28587/
Phil Perry Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Interesting incident,. . . . . I won't make any comment, as It appears it's all been said. . . . .I appreciate the thread link. Once again, Thanks Turbo. Phil P.
GAFA Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 I wasn't taking about the ferris wheel incident.! As this thread is about a crash at JCW, that's what I was talking about. The ATSB have not listed the recent JCW crash so theyappear not to be investigating the JCW crash.
motzartmerv Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Yea when did this thread make a course change?...confused....
turboplanner Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Post #101 ATSB are not likely to be spending money on an RA aircraft that just tumbled end over end.
Head in the clouds Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 They are? Yes they are investigating. ATSB are not likely to be spending money on an RA aircraft that just tumbled end over end. ????
Guest bluespot Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 God came down to see what they did and said: "They are one people and have one language, and nothing will be withheld from them which they purpose to do." "Come, let us go down and confound their speech." And so God scattered them and gave them the internet and now they just Babel on
motzartmerv Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 sure do.. And there is a prime example :) 1
Guernsey Posted January 24, 2013 Posted January 24, 2013 Yea when did this thread make a course change?...confused.... When the wind changed forcing a change of runway. ie heading in a different direction. Alan.
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