UNBELIEVEABLE

[Camel]

Casa seem to be playing games.

 

Quote from http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/lib100159/d2p7_lsa.pdf

 

 CASA have no restrictions for the type of propeller whereas FAA

 

only allow fixed pitch or ground adjustable (we allow constant

 

speed or inflight adjustable)

 

Then a Change;

 

Current Standards.

 

 The standards are reviewed and updated on a regular

 

basis so the standards listed in the AC were the

 

edition at the time, we are well beyond that now with

 

most editions being -10 or higher.

 

 There are now two standards for engines, one being

 

for spark ignition engines and one for compression

 

ignition engines

 

 There is now an ASTM propeller standard, but this is

 

for Fixed pitch and ground adjustable propellers only.

 

All I can say is Casa with the assistance of Mr Lee Ungerman is destroying past acceptable rules. This goes against what a representative from each aviation sport organization and Casa agreed in the past.

 

" CASA introduced the LSA category early in 2006.

 

The amendments to the regulations were developed

 

by a project team consisting of CASA specialist,

 

representatives from each of the sporting Orgs,

 

Australian manufacturers and CASA authorised

 

persons (AP)."

 

I believe this to be illegal to change rules that previous aircraft complied with. Does Casa have the right to destroy the aircraft industry in Australia. Is it the will of the people or just some lousy power hungry public servants.

 

Notice for LSAs With in-fligh Adjustable Prop

 

February 22, 2013 | RA-Aus Administrator

 

NOTICE TO ALL OWNERS AND OPERATORS OF LIGHT SPORT AIRCRAFT FITTED WITH IN-FLIGHT ADJUSTABLE PROPELLERS

 

During a recent CASA audit of RAAus aircraft files it was discovered that many Light Sport aircraft (LSA) are fitted with in-flight adjustable propellers that do not comply with elements of the certificate of compliance. At present there are standards acceptable to CASA for these propellers which allow them to be fitted to Light Sport aircraft but so far no manufacturer has listed an approved standard in the appropriate section of the signed statement of compliance required for LSA.

 

If you own or operate a Light Sport aircraft fitted with an in-flight adjustable propeller please contact the RAAus Technical Consultant on 0408 351 309 for further advice.

 

Dean Tompkins

 

Technical Manager

 

If your game watch this : Watch how a Perth man challenges Customs and wins to get his Corvette imported from the US....this documentary is shocking!

 

 

 

[Guest ozzie]

Freaky huh. I saw this some time ago.

 

 

[Teckair]

Yep LSAs should be thrown out, way too much trouble and not what the movement is supposed to be about.

 

 

[Stearman]

Yep LSAs should be thrown out, way too much trouble and not what the movement is supposed to be about.

LSA is not the problem! It is the lack of competency of those administering it.

 

 

[Camel]

The reason I put the Corvette link was to see if anyone thought it was worth challenging Casa for changing rules that were clearly adopted in Australia for LSA by a project team consisting of CASA specialist, representatives from each of the sporting Orgs, Australian manufacturers and CASA authorised persons (AP)." I wonder if these people that prepared the rules, object to Casa changing them without consultation ? My major objection is it does not appear to be safety related and LSA has been in for 7 years so why all of a sudden de-rail the system and make people comply to a new rule that was allowed earlier. Back dating on earlier aircraft is not right is it ? , Which aircraft manufacturers participated in LSA rules ? Who was RAA CEO and Tech manager in 2005 and 2006, did they participate in the rule making ? If They accept types at the time, how can they make a change when the authorities that made the rules accepted them which they were part of. ? I remember the first LSA being a Sportstar in WA. So what about the ones that have lost the right to sell an LSA aircraft that did a lot of work ? I find this a little crazy, is it a couple of ex RAA people destroying what many worked so hard for ? Does Casa really know what it is doing ?

 

 

[Teckair]

Camel If you feel that way have a go at the likely lads from CASA, you can ring them or they might be at Temora.

 

 

[Camel]

Camel If you feel that way have a go at the likely lads from CASA, you can ring them or they might be at Temora.

Sent an email already to Casa. Will do some more homework first to get the facts

 

 

[rankamateur]

Camel watch out you don't win one battle but fail to win the war, CASA will be holding all the cards when they grab you for a "random" ramp check.

 

 

[djpacro]

Let me guess. Some types not complying with the regulations in force at the time of their first application for approval?

 

Seems to me that CASA has always required a standard to be applied to those props.

 

 

[Camel]

.

 

If the manufacturer certifies the plane as LSA meeting the ASTM, should CASA not ask the manufacturer to provide documentation if required not telling RAA they need to do something and tell owners, it also states during a recent Casa audit, and they just introduced the ASTM standard for IFA propellors where there wasn't one before. Quote RAA " If you own or operate a Light Sport aircraft fitted with an in-flight adjustable propeller please contact the RAAus Technical Consultant ".

 

Only the manufacturer of aircraft or Propeller could provide the standards or testing the prop meets and can provide to Casa and they need to be nice to the manufacturer not put him out of business and leave the owner of an aircraft grounded. CASA say proposal to include but RAA says CASA said they did not provide documentation.

 

CASA needs to talk to the team again, including Aircraft manufacturers and the other organizations that participated in setting up LSA rules.

 

Ouote CASA document:

 

There is now an ASTM propeller standard, but this is

 

for Fixed pitch and ground adjustable propellers only.

 

Quote from CASA document :

 

So what standard do we use for

 

inflight adjustable or constant

 

speed propellers?

 

 Proposal to include all the known standards for

 

propellers in the AC, for example FAR 35 or CASR

 

35

 

 We are also exploring the possibility of applying the

 

EASA standards as we accept LSA aircraft from

 

other countries provided they have been accepted by

 

another NAA

 

 

[facthunter]

I would say the paperwork has not kept up with the props being put into service. In flight adjustable is a mega hop from ground adjustable, and I would say they have baulked at allowing them. I haven't heard of any problems but there are bound to be some. The object itself and the training to handle them may be lacking..

 

CASA don't have to explain anything. They are the Safety Authority. I wouldn't blame Lee Ungerman either. When the new CEO arrived he had plenty to say and he never retracted those comments so why are we surprised?

 

If this stuff is OK in europe and particularly UK which is very strict, then there should be some hope, one would think. I can understand people being upset. Who do you blame ? How long is a piece of string?

 

Some indication of what MAY occurr is surely not too much to ask and the timeframe. Uncertainty is not a good thing for the industry. Nev

 

 

[M61A1]

It's part of the certification process.The rules have not changed, just enforced (via an audit). If it is a factory built certified aircraft, then they have to provide documentation proving that their engineering, and their suppliers engineering meets certain specifications. There may well be absolutely nothing wrong with the prop, but there is no data or standard to say so.

 

 

[SilverWing]

The SportStar was indeed the very first LSA plane to be accepted in Australia - by a team that included a CASA representative - Rick Koch - and a highly qualified 'CASA approved person' - Alan Jupp. Believe me, these guys went through the details with a fine tooth comb for almost 3 weeks before they finally approved the aircraft.

 

It had an in-flight adjustable propeller, as does about half the current 60+ SportStar fleet. We understood that if there was no applicable ASTM standard to a particular part of the aircraft, then the manufacturer could 'certify' those parts with the plane as a whole. The VP/CSU prop came under that compliance process. ASTM standards do not cover wheels or brakes either. Maybe we should remove them from all LSA aircraft?

 

There may be a light at the end of the propeller tunnel as EASA has just approved a VP/CSU prop standard for LSA aircraft - CASA has a track record of accepting EASA standards without a problem. Provided the prop maker can state their VP/CSU props comply with the EASA standard, then presumably CASA will also accept them.

 

 

[Camel]

So is CASA trying to back date their right to approve something and say it doesn't meet the standard even though we said it meet the standard at the time. Paper shuffling noddies who know more about nothing than most people !

 

 

[Guest ozzie]

Just noticed the EMERGENCY AD for the Rotax cyl heads that if left unchecked could put one in deep poo poo. They have 5 flight hrs or 20 days to comply.

 

hell not having a photo in ones data base must be catastrophic as it gets one immediately grounded.