Savannah Xl performance if fitted with an 80hp 912UL

[Blueadventures]

Is there any performance figures for a Savannah XL fitted with the 80hp Rotax and is anyone flying one?

 

Cheers Mike

 

 

[eightyknots]

Is there any performance figures for a Savannah XL fitted with the 80hp Rotax and is anyone flying one?Cheers Mike

It's an interesting question Mike but I feel that just about all Savannahs are flying around with one hundred horses between the firewall and the propeller.

 

Somewhere on this forum I remember reading about an ICP Bingo (a lighter version of the Savannah) which had an 80 hp motor.

 

 

[Blueadventures]

Thanks for reply 80k. I got some detail about 80 hp XL's being 10 kts slower than 100hp in cruise, less take off, climb etc performance. As I am looking at moving from a skyfox to another aircraft with more range and better cruise speed i'm considering building a Savannah or Nynja kit. I got good confirmation of performance for the nynja as they fly many 80hp ones in schools in the europe area. So needing to get accurate Savannah XL data to help the decisssion making. Also the figures for the new fox wings that coastal aviation is soon to start making is not avaialbe at present - they may be more efficent and therefore increase the range of Skyfoxs. If the new wing is able to be fitted to existing aircraft. My engine in the Sky fox i'm selling is low hours and good so that is why I'm considering the fitting of a 80hp; that way if the aircraft dosn't sell I could take the engine out and advertise without engine.

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

 

[rankamateur]

Markendee on here has a pale yellow one with a 912UL, as I think you will find most of the early ones had. Tom Abell had 80Hp in his nipple pink Classic Savannah and had no trouble scrambling up to 9500ft, he was quite adamant that they don't need a 914 because the 912UL is ample.

 

 

[Blueadventures]

Markendee on here has a pale yellow one with a 912UL, as I think you will find most of the early ones had. Tom Abell had 80Hp in his nipple pink Classic Savannah and had no trouble scrambling up to 9500ft, he was quite adamant that they don't need a 914 because the 912UL is ample.

Thanks Rank

I'm am still searching to get real performance data so assist my decision. I realise every one who purchases a new rotax would buy the 100hp. Hoping to connect with an 80hp XL owner if there is such an aircraft flying.

 

Many thanks. Mike

 

 

[rankamateur]

Mark had a VG, but it was the small cabin original version not the XL. They are coming on the market now quite often and actually suit a shorter statured pilot better than the XL, not everyone is 6'3" like me, it is horses for courses. I don't think there have been any VG kits in the last two or three shipments but they are still available from the factory to order I am quite sure.

 

 

[Blueadventures]

Thanks. I'm 6'1" so Xl size suits best. The 80hp is an option if I still have it when I get to the stage of fitting an engine. At this stage the new kit on the wish list. I am getting the disesions sorted now, and hopefully good weather occurs next weekend and few aircraft get to Old station so I can view some examples of Savannah and Nynja.

 

I believe both aircraft will fly nicely and safely with an 80hp and i'm keen to get real speed and t/o distance etc. Also at a later date I then have theoption to upgrade to 100hp when dollars allow. Thanks again.

 

Mike

 

 

[rankamateur]

My Savannah S kit is on the way from Italy now, I tossed up between the 912ULS and 914 for travelling at altitude because my wife doesn't like the bumps. In europe the ceiling for ultralights is 5000ft most places so even though they have big hills there isn't really any need for turbo engines in their cool air so ICP don't do a 914 cowling, I just decided to get a standard kit and butcher it if I haven't canned the 914 idea by the time I get to the engine. I need the plane to be flying by October anyway for it's job so it won't be long until I will be deciding. As far as upgrading goes, if you have a good 80Hp engine, sure use it but isn't that going to turn your Skyfox into something unsaleable? And if you are going to buy a new 912UL and then upgrade later the difference in the up front price would be way less than what you stand to lose on the change-over I would have thought.

 

Mike I think Maj. Ross Millard will be down to Old Station with his 80Hp Lightwing 3370 if you catch up with him that might be enlightening, I can't think of an 80Hp Sav in the Queensland lot.

 

Cheers Steve H...

 

 

[Hongie]

ross's lightwing has a uls in it i think.

 

And mike there are a few guys in the states that fiddle with the UL to get more power out of them. Its an option you may want to look at.

 

 

[facthunter]

Getting a suitable prop might be a good course of action with that installation. 80 HP should be enough but fairly "draggy" planes need an appropriate prop to get the best out of the engine. The fact that the engine is geared helps get the most out of it. The Skyfox could use a 582.. nev

 

 

[eightyknots]

Is there any performance figures for a Savannah XL fitted with the 80hp Rotax and is anyone flying one?Cheers Mike

Mike, I found the thread where this was discussed. It is here -----> http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/savannah-80hp-against-100hp.36491/

 

 

[Blueadventures]

ross's lightwing has a uls in it i think.And mike there are a few guys in the states that fiddle with the UL to get more power out of them. Its an option you may want to look at.

Thanks for the info Hongie. I'm keen on leaving the engine standard. The 80hp I have is an option. With the good weather arriving I'll get more time with the Skyfox and presently deciding the kit so when my financial planets line up I can immediately place an order. If my 80hp sells then I'll get the 100hp Rotax and i'm not interested in mucking with the injected version. The Sav Xl and Nynja seem to be the two that will suit my requirements and up in this area.

 

Are you getting to Old Station and are you close to getting your machine?

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

 

[Blueadventures]

My Savannah S kit is on the way from Italy now, I tossed up between the 912ULS and 914 for travelling at altitude because my wife doesn't like the bumps. In europe the ceiling for ultralights is 5000ft most places so even though they have big hills there isn't really any need for turbo engines in their cool air so ICP don't do a 914 cowling, I just decided to get a standard kit and butcher it if I haven't canned the 914 idea by the time I get to the engine. I need the plane to be flying by October anyway for it's job so it won't be long until I will be deciding. As far as upgrading goes, if you have a good 80Hp engine, sure use it but isn't that going to turn your Skyfox into something unsaleable? And if you are going to buy a new 912UL and then upgrade later the difference in the up front price would be way less than what you stand to lose on the change-over I would have thought.Mike I think Maj. Ross Millard will be down to Old Station with his 80Hp Lightwing 3370 if you catch up with him that might be enlightening, I can't think of an 80Hp Sav in the Queensland lot.

 

Cheers Steve H...

Thanks for the info Steve. I often talk with Ross and weather permitting he'll be at Old Station. I look forward to seeing the image of your Sav S in flight when the build is completed.

 

Cheers

 

Mike

 

 

[rankamateur]

With our dollar value sliding it might be wise to make your decision promptly which ever way you decide to go, I am looking at the same with my engine, get something locked in before the upward spiral.

 

 

[facthunter]

If you can pick the dollar value you are ensured of a bright future I think the experts see it as being between 95 cents and parity with the US $ for a while yet. Nev

 

 

[rankamateur]

Italian kits and Austrian engines could be seen to be tied more to the Euro exchange rate than the US, but the importers are watching anxiously. Found out this morning the kit left the factory two weeks ago but as yet hasn't left Italy at all, at least the price is locked in.