CASA Recreational Licence

[frank marriott]

I see the new Lic listed in CASRs amendments effective 5/12/2013 - part 61.G

 

Might be of interest to some with certified aircraft who wish to gain CTA access . Credits listed for RAA qualifications on aircraft type .

 

Have to complete a CASA BFR.

 

 

[Guest nunans]

so is this another new license? or is it the rpl for those who cant pass a class 2 med but still want to fly the 182?

 

 

[frank marriott]

Not RPL - has Xcountry

 

 

[Guest nunans]

then it sounds a bit like the ra cta endorsement which was proposed a while back

 

 

[mAgNeToDrOp]

I failed with google, could you please post the link?

 

 

[frank marriott]

I failed with google, could you please post the link?

Don't know anything about posting links but if you go to CASRs, then licencing, it will direct you the amendment.

 

 

[Guest Howard Hughes]

Here you go: http://www.casa.gov.au/newrules/parts/061/download/casr61-draftregs.pdf

 

I hope you have plenty of time to spare!

 

 

[ahlocks]

The interesting bit;

 

61.480 Grant of recreational pilot licences in recognition ofpilot certificates granted by certain organisations

 

(1) This regulation applies to an applicant for a recreational pilot

 

licence if:

 

(a) the applicant holds a pilot certificate, granted by a

 

recreational aviation administration organisation that

 

administers activities involving aircraft of a particular

 

category; and

 

(b) the certificate permits the holder to act as the pilot in

 

command of an aircraft of that category.

 

(2) For subregulation 61.475 (2), the applicant is taken to have

 

passed:

 

(a) the aeronautical knowledge examination; and

 

(b) the flight test;

 

for the licence and the associated aircraft category rating.

 

(3) The applicant is also taken to have met the requirements for the

 

grant of:

 

(a) the aircraft category rating for each category of aircraft in

 

which the person is permitted by the certificate to act as

 

pilot in command; and

 

(b) the aircraft class rating for each class of aircraft in which

 

the person is permitted by the certificate to act as pilot in

 

command; and

 

© the design feature endorsement for each design feature of

 

an aircraft in which the applicant is permitted by the

 

certificate to act as pilot in command.

 

Note

 

The holder of an aircraft class rating must successfully complete a

 

flight review for the rating to be authorised to exercise the privileges of therating, and is not taken to have met the flight review requirement on the basis of being taken to have met the requirements for the grant of the rating

 

under subregulation (3): see subregulation 61.745 (4).

The complete amendment;

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013L00218/Download

 

Message:

 

 

[dazza 38]

I have previously passed GFPT in a Piper Archer in 1998. So does that mean that I meet the requirements of section 2 and 3 ?

 

 

[ahlocks]

Without having delved into every nook and cranny of the amendment Dazza, it appears that if you have a current RAA pilots cert with Nav, Pax etc., you are already qualified for a CASA recreational pilots license with same permissions.

 

I've not looked properly into the medical side of it yet, nor of the registration requirements, but VH-BeerCaN is looking more and more appealing.

 

 

[facthunter]

Don't get your hopes up. re the medical. It was heralded as being based on a car standard. Not true. The way it works is that if you find a doctor who can tick off all the bits you are fine. If there is any issue with any of them you are told to go by the class 2 route. It's not a question of failing the class 2 and getting the RPL. If you are at any significant age and have any question on your medical history, and who wouldn't, unless they are young and never been near a doctor, or had tests done for things ( as ONE does, and is encouraged to do, that your GP can't just tick, it's NOT a goer. You might find a slack GP but he/she would be a fool to risk his/her house and Maserati, so don't count on it. ( I would also suggest keeping things to yourself is not good either.)

 

This means that IF you have ever had a test for anything significant, and it's on your medical record, unless you can eliminate it as a possibility, that medical history will mean no go. I have this from the people who finalised it. The reason the standard was so high was the desire of some to get their aircraft to a secondary airport for servicing.

 

I have the feeling that it is ME that's just been serviced. Nev

 

 

[dazza 38]

Without having delved into every nook and cranny of the amendment Dazza, it appears that if you have a current RAA pilots cert with Nav, Pax etc., you are already qualified for a CASA recreational pilots license with same permissions. I've not looked properly into the medical side of it yet, nor of the registration requirements, but VH-BeerCaN is looking more and more appealing.

Yes mate I have all that, and I am current. I wonder if our tail wheel endorsement will be recognised as well ?

 

 

[dazza 38]

So I guess the advantages are - be able to fly a aircraft with a max weight of 1500 Kg. VH registered- so no yearly rego fees, no yearly memberships fee to a RAAO .Can get trained for and receive a controlled airspace endorsement. If the aircraft is built by the aircraft owner under the experimental cat & the builder has completed the SAAA MPL course- they can work on the aircraft themselves.

 

Disadvantages- aircraft must be LAME maintained unless the aircraft is built by the owner and the owner has completed the SAAA MPL course , must have a AVID/ASIC to exercise the privilege of using the RPL. Must have either a class 2 medical or the RPL/car type medical as discussed by Nev above which isn't as easy as it sounds.

 

PS- I have put down LAME as a disadvantage purely as a cost perspective as opposed to RAA self maintenance. Being LAME maintained can also be a big advantage as well, for people who are not comfortable on working on the own aircraft.

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

Is quad heart bypasses classed as a significant medical event?

 

Seeing I have been bored and sleeved I think I am a better prospect than a lot of guys out there flying now

 

Then again I dont think I would want my aircraft serviced by anyone else than me....they dont have their bum in it when it flys...this makes a big difference

 

I fly on that car licence medical now

 

 

[frank marriott]

I would have thought the main advantage to RAA pilots would be for those who have a "certified" RAA registered aircraft & instruments and no health problems - can get a CTA endorsement and then fly their RAA aircraft into CTA airports without doing a full PPL.

 

Whether that is a good thing or not will obviously be debated by some, but that will be the law as of December - the way I read it anyway.

 

You will still have to do a BFR with a GA CASA ATO - this may pose a problem if you are not up to scratch in his/her eyes - but then if one is not up to scratch then further training should happen anyway.

 

 

[ahlocks]

Hmmm.... been reading into the medicals side of it. You could lose your RAA cert medical quite easily if the austroads assessments are applied to the letter. The primary difference is self assessment and the RAA will allow conditional drivers' license conditions where the RPL doesn't (IMHO and at face value)

 

Some links for anyone interested enough;

 

http://www.austroads.com.au/images/stories/assessing_fitness_to_drive_2013.pdf

 

and a quote from the amendment; (formatting is wierd as cut and paste isn't working correctly for some reason)

 

61.030 Definition of modified Austroads medical standards

for Part 61

 

(1)

 

Modified Austroads medical standards, in relation to the

 

exercise of the privileges of a pilot licence, means the

 

Austroads medical standards modified to provide that a person

 

with any of the following medical histories or conditions does

 

not meet the standards:

 

(a) subject to subregulation (2)

 

—

 

a history of cancer within

 

the 5-year period before the day the privileges of the

 

licence are exercised;

 

(b) a history of ECG changes, with or without symptoms;

 

© subject to subregulation (3)

 

—

 

a history of heart failure;

 

(d) inability to hear a conversational speaking voice at a

 

distance of 2 metres, whether unaided or with the

 

assistance of a medically prescribed hearing aid;

 

(e) any musculoskeletal disability, disorder or disease of the

 

bones, joints, muscles or tendons that would limit or

 

restrict the normal manipulation of aircraft controls, or

 

would require physical modifications to the aircraft to

 

enable appropriate manipulation of the controls;

 

(f) a history of transient ischaemic attack;

 

(g) a history of multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy or

 

Parkinson’s disease;

 

(h) a history of one or more of the following in relation to a

 

head injury:

 

(i) loss of consciousness;

 

(ii) post-traumatic amnesia;

 

(iii) abnormal findings on head CT or MRI investigation;

 

(i) a history of renal colic or calculi;

 

(j) active vertigo or a history of benign paroxysmal positional

 

vertigo.

 

(2) For paragraph (1) (a), a history of cancer for a person does not

 

include a history of basal cell skin cancers if:

 

(a) each basal cell skin cancer has been treated by excision

 

with no metastasized sequelae; and

 

(b) since at least the last occurrence of a basal cell skin

 

cancer, the person has been under active and continuous

 

case management by a medical practitioner who is a

 

specialist oncology physician or surgeon (the treating practitioner); and

 

© the person is assessed for the issue of a recreational

 

aviation medical practitioner’s certificate by the treating

 

practitioner or, if the treating practitioner is not available,

 

by another medical practitioner with knowledge of the

 

person’s basal cell skin cancer history.

 

(3) For paragraph (1) ©, a history of heart failure for a person

 

does not include a history in which the person meets all of the

 

following requirements:

 

(a) the person has not had an episode of heart failure for at

 

least the previous 3 years;

 

(b) since at least the last episode of heart failure, the person

 

has been under active and continuous case management by

 

a medical practitioner who is a specialist cardiovascular

 

physician or surgeon (the treating practitioner);

 

© the person is assessed for the issue of a recreational

 

aviation medical practitioner’s certificate by the treating

 

practitioner or, if the treating practitioner is not available,

 

by another medical practitioner with knowledge of the

 

person’s history of heart failure.9

 

(4) In this regulation:

 

Austroads medical standards

 

means the medical standards for

 

the issue of an unconditional

 

private motor vehicle driver’s

 

licence, set out in the publication

 

Assessing fitness to drive for

 

commercial and private vehicle drivers

 

, published by

 

Austroads in March 2012, or any later version as in force from

 

time to time.

 

Note

 

See www.austroads.com.au/assessing-fitness-to-drive/.

[dazza 38]

I also notice that the GFPT is not mentioned at all in the Draft. I was/am still under the impression that the RPL is a direct replacement for SPL holders who have passed their GFPT.

 

 

[frank marriott]

If you go to the actual CASRs you will find it is NOT a draft anymore, has been tabled in February and becomes law in December.

 

The draft may have the same wording but I haven't read it.

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

Well I didn't have a heart attack I had symptoms that led the doctors to investigate my heart by angiogram. My ECG was actually normal at that time.....so the way I read that I am fine I just need my cardiologist to sign me off. I have had kidney stones once about 10 years ago but nothing since...so that should be ok. All skin cancers I have had have been cut out and none have been melanomas only basal cell carcinomas....so the way I read that I should be able to pass the medical

 

Now I just have to do a LAME course.....buggar

 

 

[Kyle Communications]

Just read that austroads licence pdf. I actually qualify for the commercial licence as I do have a HR licence. My medical does cover that. I think if you can be in charge of a 10 tonne truck trundling down the roads you should be able to fly your own private aircraft. I cant see why CASA have much more strict rules than those on the austroads document. If you actually read it all it is pretty tough for the commercial vehicle side

 

 

[dazza 38]

If you go to the actual CASRs you will find it is NOT a draft anymore, has been tabled in February and becomes law in December.The draft may have the same wording but I haven't read it.

Thanks for that Frank, I haven't check the CASR's yet. I have just read the Draft on the CASA web site. I will go and have a look

PS- I had a look yep it states - "Recreational Pilots licence to replace student Pilots licence with passenger carrying privileges".

 

 

[turboplanner]

With the bulk of RAA members hiring aircraft, I wonder how this will affect membership numbers/income?

 

 

[dazza 38]

With the bulk of RAA members hiring aircraft, I wonder how this will affect membership numbers/income?

Good question Turbo, I guess this will help struggling GA schools.

 

 

[ahlocks]

It'll depend on what and where they/we want to fly Tubz. We're still going to need an RAA cert to fly a postcode rego'd one.

 

RPL does open up CTA for RAA aircraft types if that's what toots their horn.

 

 

[mAgNeToDrOp]

As a non-lawyer I'm still confused about what that means for raaus flyers. Sorry if its a stupid question. This means the Rpl is available from december and if you have raaus cert plus Nav plus plus etc, you can use it as credit towards the RPL? I assume you still need to go through the medical circus for Rpl. Raaus medical no good. ..