The divide between north and south Queensland

[DCM]

May be a silly question but can anyone tell me where or how The divide is worked out between north and south Qld in reference to the board delegates

 

Thanks David

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

North of latitude 22degrees south is NQLD about 100k's south of Mackay

 

 

[DCM]

Thanks for that I wasn't able to find it anywhere and it puts me about on the fence so to speak

 

 

[eightyknots]

Thanks for that I wasn't able to find it anywhere and it puts me about on the fence so to speak

It took a New South Welshman to tell you the answer:

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

I got it from an ex members rep because I couldn't find it either. I also couldn't find anything that says you actually have to live in the are you represent so someone living in Tweed heads for example could probably effectively deal NSW or SQLD.........

 

Andy

 

 

[Hongie]

where abouts are you DCM? I'm in walkerston.. we need to get a few more pilots up here

 

 

[rhysmcc]

I got it from an ex members rep because I couldn't find it either. I also couldn't find anything that says you actually have to live in the are you represent so someone living in Tweed heads for example could probably effectively deal NSW or SQLD.........Andy

From the Constitution of Recreational Aviation Australia Inc, Section 13-Election of Board Members

 

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(iii) A financial member who is a resident in Australia may nominate for a representative

 

position in any region they may choose provided they are nominated and seconded by members within that region

 

...

Appendix B also defines North and South Queensland

 

Regional Definitions and Representatives

North Queensland (North of latitude 220S) 1 Representative

 

South Queensland (South of latitude 220S) 3 Representatives

 

...

[DCM]

where abouts are you DCM? I'm in walkerston.. we need to get a few more pilots up here

A few hundred km west in Clermont

 

 

[DCM]

I got it from an ex members rep because I couldn't find it either. I also couldn't find anything that says you actually have to live in the are you represent so someone living in Tweed heads for example could probably effectively deal NSW or SQLD.........Andy

Thanks for that Andy that is the other thing I was wondering about the living in the area and representing it

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

Well looking at the map 22 deg runs through South of Mackay around the St Lawrence region. I asked Myles that same question at Old Station recently and he replied ..halfway between Rockhampton and Gladstone ! ?...I also spoke to several pilots from the Rockhampton region, and they suggested they would rather be in North Qld than South Queensland as they now are..............I do not agree with the ruling that a board rep from another state can be nominated, this is politics at it's worst, and the last thing we need in our sporting organisation. All of our areas have suitable and capable people for board members, and they should be utilised, not someone from out of state who would rather play politics than honestly represent their area's members......................Maj...

 

 

[Keith Page]

Good Morning Maj

 

You are correct leave the southern people look after themselves we do not need them telling us what to do, just imagine if we got an implant (board member) up here where would there loyalities be housed?

 

I would call that vote rigging.

 

Regards,

 

Keith Page

 

 

[FlyingVizsla]

Hi Keith,

 

You're in Southern Qld. The line is about 200km north of Rocky. It runs right through the middle of Moranbah, which could be interesting for residents. Sarina is the first big coastal town in FNQ, then Mackay. Dajarra is in western FNQ. Boulia, Winton, Clermont, Rockhampton are all SEQ.

 

As for "out of area" reps. I can see how this might be OK. Imagine an outstanding individual who has spent years in FNQ, then retires to live closer to the Grand kids. Still visits FNQ, but resides in say NSW with time on his/her hands and now wants to make a bigger contribution. The person still needs to be nominated by FNQ people, regardless of where they live. If you think they are a ring-in, don't nominate them.

 

The other problem with the smaller population areas is getting someone to stand. For example NT has been without reps and anyone who stands is unopposed. The bigger areas with more than one rep - there are some who get a seat and leave all the leg work to the other bloke. Places like WA are too big for one person to get around to everyone. The system isn't ideal, but it is what we have to work with now.

 

Anyone know who our candidates are?

 

Sue

 

 

[turboplanner]

Better to stop fighting and address the basic problems with RA, (a) getting people to stand, (b) getting people to vote for them before it's all too late.

 

 

[cherk]

Anyone know who our candidates are?

 

Sue

 

......................Maj...

 

 

[Keith Page]

Hi Sue

 

I know where I am(Sth Qld) , it does not feal:scratching head: correct being bundled in with the South-east Qld mob. Just imagine the pain:roflmao: if we are considered Brisbane people.

 

Turbs old friend ----- Victoria is a bit smaller than Qld, us Queenslanders would choak on our morning cuppa if we had to take instructions from Victorians.

 

Regards

 

Keith Page..

 

 

[turboplanner]

Hi SueI know where I am(Sth Qld) , it does not feal:scratching head: correct being bundled in with the South-east Qld mob. Just imagine the pain:roflmao: if we are considered Brisbane people.

Turbs old friend ----- Victoria is a bit smaller than Qld, us Queenslanders would choak on our morning cuppa if we had to take instructions from Victorians.

 

Regards

 

Keith Page..

No doubt you would, but you are cuddly bears compared to Tasmanians - its them against the MAINLAND!

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

Hi SueI know where I am(Sth Qld) , it does not feal:scratching head: correct being bundled in with the South-east Qld mob. Just imagine the pain:roflmao: if we are considered Brisbane people.

Turbs old friend ----- Victoria is a bit smaller than Qld, us Queenslanders would choak on our morning cuppa if we had to take instructions from Victorians.

 

Regards

 

Keith Page..

Serious Question........

 

Can anyone give me an example of what an area rep does that is actually considered area based, for example has there ever been a case of Rep for NQLD fighting for something that SQLD want????

 

I'm stuffed if I can remember anything other than Monto and the WA flyin and I cant even think of anything these days that actually needs area based representation......I mean these days a local call is a local call anything outside of that gets charged long distance, same cost whether 70kms or 1000km away because there is no need to differentiate... RAAus problems have stuff all to do with location and all to do with poor governance and control. I'd personally happily take someone from anywhere that can give me the missing latter!!

 

Considering where our previous president and his associated command and control style came from....your argument is rich to say the least!

 

Andy

 

 

[rhysmcc]

I would also be happy to vote for someone who brings something to the table, if they were located outside of North Qld, over someone who doesn't offer anything (other then being local), that said it would be hard to go against a local who is known by the members and switched on.

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

Better to stop fighting and address the basic problems with RA, (a) getting people to stand, (b) getting people to vote for them before it's all too late.

Who's fighting Turbo ?...we're just discussing things as we normally do, we've got three reps in SE Qld and one in the North. if they dropped the boundary slightly to the South maybe we could have 2 and 2. We have plenty of activity say North of Rocky to put up two canidates. Maybe it's something that could be bought up in the future........................Maj....

 

 

[Guest Maj Millard]

You can bring up problems with individual past members if you wish, but I could also suggest that we haven't had much luck with members from the apple isle also for that matter. North Queensland has given us two past presidents with Lee Ungermann also an ops manager.

 

We have to retain a regional rep system to avoid the situation that conceivably could occur where every elected official is from Vic or NSW, or wherever. There would be a lot of unhappy campers if that we're to occur I'm sure, particularly if we all didn't like the decisions they were making...........................Maj....

 

 

[Keith Page]

Hi Maj

 

You are correct we do need a geographical balance regarding the rep to member ratio. We must have ourselves protected from all the future situations which are not on the horizon at the moment.

 

Queensland is big, a lot of people do not realize how much of Qld is above Mackay the area above Mackay is a lot bigger than Victoria.

 

I can just imagine the roar and it will not be from the zoo if all the decisions are made for us from Victoria.

 

Regards,

 

Keith Page.

 

 

[TK58]

Anyone know who our candidates are?

I'm a bit surprised RAAus hasn't made an announcement yet since nominations closed last week. I know I'm standing in SQ. I believe Myles is standing again and John McKeown isn't. I know of another (excellent in my opinion) candidate, but probably shouldn't say who it is until RAAus makes it official.

 

SQ members need to remember there are 2 positions up for election this year so they need to number at least 2 (and preferably all) the squares on the ballot.

 

 

[TK58]

Hi MajYou are correct we do need a geographical balance regarding the rep to member ratio. We must have ourselves protected from all the future situations which are not on the horizon at the moment.

Queensland is big, a lot of people do not realize how much of Qld is above Mackay the area above Mackay is a lot bigger than Victoria.

 

I can just imagine the roar and it will not be from the zoo if all the decisions are made for us from Victoria.

 

Regards,

 

Keith Page.

I used to live in Townsville and I know how North Queenslanders feel about being governed by Southerners - and I'm sure people from WA feel similarly about being governed from the East. And for things governments do (schools, hospitals, roads, etc.), I tend to agree. But for the things RAAus does, I think the argument is a lot weaker. The rules we operate under are the same across the entire country. And modern communications makes it as easy to talk to someone anywhere in the country as across town.

 

People like the idea of a 'local' rep, but someone in Townsville is hardly local for someone in Mt Isa. And Cairns and Mackay are further apart than any two places in Victoria. Apart from that feel good factor, I can't see it makes a difference where the reps live.

 

Given the strife RAAus is facing at present, I think we should be willing to enlist good talent regardless of where it's found. Home address is hardly a qualification for an effective Board member.

 

 

[rhysmcc]

I'm a bit surprised RAAus hasn't made an announcement yet since nominations closed last week.

The RA-AUS website has the closing date for nominations 4PM 31st July 2013, surely must be a mistake, that is quite some time to have an empty seat at the table (add the time it will take for the votes to be sent out, returned and counted).

 

 

[TK58]

The RA-AUS website has the closing date for nominations 4PM 31st July 2013, surely must be a mistake, that is quite some time to have an empty seat at the table (add the time it will take for the votes to be sent out, returned and counted).

That's for the NQ by-election to replace Steve Runciman. Nominations for the general election closed on 31 May. NQ was not part of the general election this year. Each rep is elected for a 2 year term with half the reps up for election each year. NQ is due next year.