Licence to kill

[Phil Perry]

Maj- this year must've been DeJaVue then......

I've given up Dejavu for lent Ball,. . . .it kept reminding me of places I thought I'd been to. . . . .

 

Phil

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Over a million ways that an aeroplane can kill you ---- WATCH OUT! Don

Geez Don, . . . and I thought there were only four,. . . . . . or,. . . maybe seven,. . . ?

 

Phil

 

 

[dazza 38]

After watching the show last night, I have to say that I really hope that the young lady who was the partner of the pax, finds some closure soon so she can move on with her life. The last 5 years must have taken a terrible toll on her, I wish her well in the future.

 

 

[ave8rr]

WHY did the Chief Pilot of the company allow one of his pilots (Company Owner) to do the flight when clearly he (Barry) was not licenced to do so?

 

 

[Head in the clouds]

WHY did the Chief Pilot of the company allow one of his pilots (Company Owner) to do the flight when clearly he (Barry) was not licenced to do so?

Sadly Mike, for the same reason that the CPs of several of the operations not a million miles away from you (to my certain knowledge and no doubt all over the rest of the country as well) used to have to turn a blind eye to all sorts of illegal goings-on, because if they raised a concern they'd be out of a job, and jobs are hard to get. Certain unscrupulous operators would have a ridiculous turnover of CPs and they were always young and easy to browbeat, just chasing the hours and experience to get to 1500hrs and a third officer seat with Singapore Airlines. The stunning thing is that DoA DCA CAA CASA never seemed to twig that there was something wrong when they were signing off on the Appointment of a new CP every six months or so, for some operators.

 

 

[kgwilson]

WHY did the Chief Pilot of the company allow one of his pilots (Company Owner) to do the flight when clearly he (Barry) was not licenced to do so?

Because his boss was the company owner & you do what the boss says. Up till the fateful flight he'd always got away with it.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

There was a "Similar" occurrence at Casey Airfield Berwick ( Vic) many years since, where Keith Hatfield's partner in the Groupair Flight Training company, had a "Party Piece" which consisted of a high speed approach to the runway to ground level, followed by a steep "Pull-Up" into a loop, which he landed off the end of. . . . .

 

One fateful day, . . .for reasons unknown, he got it wrong and didn't judge the low-level loop correctly,. . .airspeed ?. . . Wind . . .? Engine not performing as expected . . .? . . .who knows, . . . A VERY experienced pilot with decades of flight in his logbook. . . the aircraft contacted the runway very heavily in a flat attitude, whilst carrying a non - surviveable "G" loading. . . . and he and his passenger, the Lady company secretary. . . , both sustained broken necks from which they both died instantly.

 

There were no other apparent injuries to the bodies.

 

I gather that he had performed this "Trick" on numerous occasions, but nobody ever tried to stop him doing it, . . . . . . because he was 1) Half boss of the company, and 2) an extremely experienced pilot. I can't remember the type of aircraft involved, but then, I'm an Older citizen. Sorry.

 

Makes yer think dunnit.

 

Incidentally, I do not know of the man to whom this thread is dedicated, my apologies for that, but I have heard many similar tales of "Legendary" men coming to grief by pushing the envelope either a bit too far,. . . or once too often, and this makes me really sad.

 

Genuine condolences to the man's family and friends.

 

Phil.

 

 

[johnm]

.............. old and bold ?

 

its difficult to say that fate and timing were the only factors

 

I hope all - including the passengers family and friends move on as best they can and have a good future life

 

 

[bull]

My-point-exactly----------------all-to-quick-to-condenm-the-man,,yes-he-should-not-have-been-flying-at-all-but-do-we-know-what-really-happened,NO-just-media-hype-and-speculation,---And-getting-back-to-medical-conditions-and-flying,,,How-many-of-our-fantastic-plastic-brigade-who-converted-to-RAA-would-pass-a-casa-medical-Hmmmm--- ..............................................Avery-good-Question-to-throw-in-the-fire,,,,,,,??????>>?Even-though-you-qualify-for-a-drivers-licence----you-are-still-flying-1/2-tonne-of-resonably-high-speed-aircraft-AND-carrying-PASSENGERS-usually-close-relatives-or-friends-some-with-flight-exp-----SOME-without------Have-a-good-think-about-THAT--before-you-condemn-Barry-without-conclusive-investigated-evidence-of-what-really-caused-this-ACCIDENT

 

 

[johnm]

Bull - if you supply your postal address or bank details - I'm sure we could all chip in and buy you a keyboard ?

 

 

[djpacro]

,,,,,Barry-dared-death-every-day------we-rolled-inverted-50-of-the-deck-and-climbed-out-inverted-over-very-large,very-solid-gumtrees-at-old-statipon-

 

... before-you-condemn-Barry-without-conclusive-investigated-evidence-of-what-really-caused-this-ACCIDENT

I can understand wanting to know 100% what caused the accident but really doesn't matter to the central issue raised by the passenger's family of events and situation leading up to that last flight.I look forward to the coroner's report.

 

---And-getting-back-to-medical-conditions-and-flying,,,How-many-of-our-fantastic-plastic-brigade-who-converted-to-RAA-would-pass-a-casa-medical-

Doesn't matter to this discussion. For those who do, there is a trade-off in the exemption from CASA medical vs limitations on operations.

 

..had a "Party Piece" which consisted of a high speed approach to the runway to ground level, followed by a steep "Pull-Up" into a loop, which he landed off the end of. . . . the aircraft contacted the runway very heavily in a flat attitude, whilst carrying a non - surviveable "G" loading. . . . and he and his passenger, the Lady company secretary. . . , both sustained broken necks from which they both died instantly..... I gather that he had performed this "Trick" on numerous occasions, but nobody ever tried to stop him doing it, . . . . . .

I remember that. Beagle Pup.Major factor in too many accidents is insufficient height to manoeuvre. Need to allow enough height for two things to go wrong - an initial problem (mechanical or misjudgement) and then probably not going to take the right action to fix it. Doesn't matter what the initial problem is, cause is generally insufficient height in the first place. An accident waiting to happen.

 

..but I have heard many similar tales of "Legendary" men coming to grief by pushing the envelope either a bit too far,. . . or once too often, and this makes me really sad....

Sad, I agree. Too many. Too many friends. Death defying acts often fail on the "defying" part.