RAaus to PPL

[chrisb]

If I get a raa licence and a cross country endorsement, my min flight time is 40 hours. The same min time required for ppl.

 

So what is then involved in getting a ppl out of this?

 

 

[seb7701]

Head to an 'RAA friendly' GA school and see what their thoughts are on a conversion. My inquiries indicate not a great conversion time is required, but this topic has been covered a thousand times previously, so perhaps run some searches.

 

 

[chrisb]

I'll ask/search around for more info

 

 

[poteroo]

If I get a raa licence and a cross country endorsement, my min flight time is 40 hours. The same min time required for ppl.So what is then involved in getting a ppl out of this?

Not quite so - your RAA minimums are 20hrs to PC, and then 10 to cross-country. The pathway to PPL will be easier when CASR Part 61 becomes the rule after 4/12/13. Flying schools are currently being briefed by CASA as to what the changes really mean, and how the conversions will happen. My meeting is tomorrow,(21st). As others have said - a dual, (GA+RAA), school will probably have the best info. happy days,

 

 

[fly_tornado]

go PPL and then its only 5 hours to go RAA

 

 

[rgmwa]

Unless you're exceptionally talented, you won't do a straight PPL in 40 hours. Reckon on 60-80 as more realistic, particularly if you're doing it part-time, taking one lesson every week or two. RAA and then PPL is probably the way to go to reduce costs.

 

rgmwa

 

 

[chrisb]

OK read the page wrong, training school says avg student to takes 45 hours for RAA and x-country

 

I planning to go to an RAA+GA school anyway

 

 

[seb7701]

Sounds like the go.

 

 

[king_daniels]

OK THEN

 

Let's say you're a RAA pilot with over 1500+ hr your ratings are:-

 

Pilot I, PAX, R, X, 2S, HF, HP, LP, NW, TW, and APA

 

All PPL exams successfully completed.

 

FIRST SOLO, BAK, and passed the CASA cyber exam.

 

I am getting quotes of having to fly up to 15 to 20hrs that will only get me toGFPT stage.

 

They say I have to do all the flying exercises to ensure that I meet their standards.

 

I find this a tad excessive......what does everybody else think?

 

I won't name the flying school.

 

Daniel

 

 

[chrisb]

Prior experience should count for alot

 

I agree you should still need some training but not 20 hours and it should be to PPL

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Go elsewhere..Thats rubbish.

 

 

[mAgNeToDrOp]

Daniel, tell them to pull your other leg, it plays jingle bells...

 

 

[seb7701]

Last quote I got was 15hrs max to PPL.

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Its a standard, not the hours. Sure there are minimum hours required. 2 hours BIF, 5 hours solo cross country etc. getting 'quotes' is rubbish. Any School that 'quotes' is a school to avoid. if your standard is there and the box's are ticked, then any 'quote' is garbage.

 

The quickest and easiest way is to do it in something you have already, Jab, tecnam, sportstar etc. Some controlled airspace navving, some BIF and your in business. GFPT be dammed, theres absolutely NO requirement to do a GFPT.

 

 

[chrisb]

I still might just go raaus first then go from there

 

 

[motzartmerv]

I still might just go raaus first then go from there

The best way mate. :)

 

 

[chrisb]

Unrelated but, I'll be doing my amateur radio licence this weekend

 

 

[68volksy]

I keep preaching "Fly the aircraft you actually want to fly". If you just simply want to get in the air fly RA but if you want to take passengers, fly in controlled airspace or fly heavier machines then go GA all the way. Then once you've truly mastered the one aircraft you can move on to another aircraft. Another great option coming up is the GA RPL which has similar hours and medical requirements to RA, allows for controlled airspace and heavier aircraft but limits you to one passenger. Best of both worlds unless you're keen to maintain your own aircraft in my view. I'm hoping we'll see a lot of Schools stepping up to the mark with GA registered Jabs and Tecnams and a resurgence in popularity of the $30,000 Cessna 150's and Piper 140's.

 

I know for me the RPL with cross country endorsement would be perfect. No interest in maintaining my own aircraft and limited need for controlled airspace (although i'd probably add it anyway).

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Yea, here comes the long awaited RPL. Sorry to rain on parades, but for more than one pax, you will need a class 2 medical. For CTA, class 2 medical again. Ive got the 500 page document in front of me, and I have to say. Disappointing to say the least. A big merry go round to end up in the same place we are now.

 

I think CASA were hoping for a "save GA" instrument. But in their usual over the top way have destroyed the spirit of what they set out to do. For all of you waiting for this big change, dont hold your breath. Not much is going to happen im afraid.

 

 

[chrisb]

Another great option coming up is the GA RPL which has similar hours and medical requirements to RA, allows for controlled airspace ...

Thats the only thing I'm after from a PPL, means i could then fly moorabbin to camden instead of tyabb to the oaks

 

 

[poteroo]

Yea, here comes the long awaited RPL. Sorry to rain on parades, but for more than one pax, you will need a class 2 medical. For CTA, class 2 medical again. Ive got the 500 page document in front of me, and I have to say. Disappointing to say the least. A big merry go round to end up in the same place we are now.I think CASA were hoping for a "save GA" instrument. But in their usual over the top way have destroyed the spirit of what they set out to do. For all of you waiting for this big change, dont hold your breath. Not much is going to happen im afraid.

The RPL is really the current 'country' PPL - with no IF, limits on pax and weights, but with lower medical. It's actually closer to the RPPL, (Restricted PPL), which was around pre 1989 - and was canned for no better reason than someone thought it was time for a change!

 

I have just spent some hours with CASA on Part 61 interpretation - and it's interesting to hear them talking about many aspects being 'in flux' ie, they don't really know what and how it will really work out in practice. One thing which was clear is that the transition from RPC to RPL is straightforward in respect of the hours and theory recognition - but the flight review to issue the RPL is where they expect the Flight Examiner, (currently the ATO), to look for the competencies to align with the Manual of Standards for RPL. This may vary from location to location.... (my opinion only).

 

I think there's plenty of scope here for RAAus to become the entry point for many more students because the changeover will be so easy. It might require a bit more BAK, (do the GA exam and be done with it is my take), and a few extra hours supervised solo navs to reach 5 - but that's it. For joint RAA/GA schools it will be really easy to achieve.

 

It's in GA instructing that things will change.......lots! There will be a lot of unhappy new instructors after 4/12/13 as things get much tougher to gain specialist instructor approvals due to higher course and hours thresholds, and to gain flight examiner approvals. Then you have to renew every one of them every 2 years. There's going to be a fair pilot exodus out of holding specialist ratings too - because they are going to be renewable every 2 years. Just my opinion, but..........we'll see.

 

happy days,