turkey, no the other one.

[fly_tornado]

how is it a little country like turkey can develop their own aircraft?

 

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Turkish Aircraft Industries has flown the Hurkus, a two-seat tandem trainer that is designed to compete with the Beechcraft T-6 Texan II and Embraer Super Tucano. The aircraft, which is apparently a clean-sheet design but looks a lot like a T-6, was announced in 2007 and flew on Aug. 29 in Ankara. The 33-minute gear-down flight appeared to test basic flight characteristics and was flown by Murat Özpala. Like the T-6 and Tucano, the aircraft will be offered in basic flight trainer and light attack versions on the military market but TAI is also seeking EASA certification for a civilian version.

 

The civilian aircraft will likely come without the ejection seat, exploding canopy and weapons hard points on the military variants but it will likely include the airframe and engine features that could find a niche market with adrenaline junkies who have cash to spare. The aircraft has a 1,600-shp Pratt & Whitney Canada turboprop that will pull it along at up to 310 knots. It's stressed for +7/-3.5 Gs and will climb at 4,300 fpm. The concentration will be on the military market initially and besides the Turkish air force, Australia and Sweden have expressed interest.

 

 

[dazza 38]

They probably have cheap labour. If it was built here, it would cost a lot more per unit and be uncompetitive, unless we had government protection and hand outs. Like our car manufacturing.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

They probably have cheap labour. If it was built here, it would cost a lot more per unit and be uncompetitive, unless we had government protection and hand outs. Like our car manufacturing.

I don't know if what you say is true, Dazza, but too often "cheap labour" gets trotted out to make excuses for the shortsightedness, lack of imagination and managerial laziness which has plagued Australian industry. Some of the best products are made by countries with very high labour costs. Countries prepared to invest heavily in their future.

 

 

[dazza 38]

I don't know if what you say is true, Dazza, but too often "cheap labour" gets trotted out to make excuses for the shortsightedness, lack of imagination and managerial laziness which has plagued Australian industry. Some of the best products are made by countries with very high labour costs. Countries prepared to invest heavily in their future.

I would agree with that.

 

 

[dazza 38]

Way off thread but since I mentioned cars, I was reading a news paper last week IRT Ford. It said that Ford is going to import the Mustang V6 and V8 for 2016. A replacement for the Falcon I guess. The paper quoted $40 000 for the V6 and around $60 000 for the V8. I wonder how can they predict the unit costs that far out ? Who knows what the dollar will be worth then.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Since we seem to be losing our car industry (cynics calculate most of the subsidies end up back in Detroit), any national government worth voting for must find some project(s) to save Australia's industrial base. High Speed Rail ticks most of these boxes. Lets get the Japanese to bring their expertise here. A win-win for Japan, which needs to kick start its economy; we need to avoid becoming the Argentina of Asia.

 

 

[Mick]

how is it a little country like turkey can develop their own aircraft?]

Google "AAC Wamira" to see Australia's concept for this style of trainer. It was conceived in the 80's and canned before a prototype was built. We ended up building / buying PC-9's.

 

 

[facthunter]

I don't see any problem developing a plane here. You have to find a market for it. see "Whitney Boomerang". Not easy to make money out of aviation. It has been a remarkably unprofitable industry from the beginning. Military contracts help, otherwise LUCK. Nev

 

 

[fly_tornado]

Google "AAC Wamira" to see Australia's concept for this style of trainer. It was conceived in the 80's and canned before a prototype was built. We ended up building / buying PC-9's.

According to wikipedia, delays in building prototype and cost over runs, typical ADF "hands on" management. They blew $65M before realising Australians just aren't suited to the manufacturing process.

 

 

[facthunter]

"Australians just aren't suited to the manufacturing process" CAN you translate that? Nev

 

 

[kgwilson]

how is it a little country like turkey can develop their own aircraft?

Well no it is not a little country with about 75 million people, a prominent member of NATO & the OECD and 783,000 sq km in area. It was the centre of the Ottoman empire for over 600 years which ended after WWI. Attaturk of Gallipoli fame came to power in 1922 & kicked out the occupying armies & created a secular democratic state as it is today. I travelled extensively through Turkey in the 1970s & found the country & its people fascinating & for the most part friendly.

 

 

[pylon500]

When mentioning aircraft, be sure you have the right name, and watch out for re-badges

 

This is a T-6;

 

 

This is a PC-9, but don't tell the Yanks, they think Beechcraft designed it;

 

 

And this is as far as the AAC Wamira A-20 got before being scrapped by another one of our inept governments;

 

 

We ended up buying PC-9's, but had to modify them to suit the Australian conditions (read, match the conditions the Wamira was designed for)

 

 

[Marty_d]

And before that, the Victa Airtourer / CT-4... designed in Australia, rights sold to NZ, then we buy the aircraft back...

 

Not to mention the Collins Class submarine, and the endless money pit commonly known as the F-35 JSF.

 

If there's one thing Defence procurement is good for, it's wasting money.