stevron Posted September 25, 2013 Posted September 25, 2013 Are there any LSA s that can be transported on a trailer and easily assembled at site?
arielle Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 The factory built RV-12 is the only one I can think of that might fit and I don't think there are any in Aus yet. There is some debate about how easy assembly is as well.
Zibi Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 I don't know how easy they are to set up, but apparently the Fly synthesis Storch 500 can come with folding wings. Also probably not what you're looking for, but all trikes (which are also LSAs) can be easily transported on a trailer.
dazza 38 Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 Eurofox, Skyfox, Kitfox, Highlander etc. All have folding wings and can be trailered . 1
fly_tornado Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 your guide http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/aircraft/lsas/2013-lsa-buyers-guide.html
thommo Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 If it's a LSA does that mean a LAME or level 2 has to inspect it each time the wings are unfolded? I'm sure that control systems would have to be disconnected. 1
dazza 38 Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 If it's a LSA does that mean a LAME or level 2 has to inspect it each time the wings are unfolded? I'm sure that control systems would have to be disconnected. no
crashley Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 plenty of rv 12s flying in Australia some are being trailered the others are hangared about 3 minutes to get the wings on or off
thommo Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 RV isn't a LSA they are home built. Or do they come in under the ELSA At the end of the day a LSA is a factory certified aircraft that should be maintained buy a level 2 or LAME. So I would have thought disconnecting a control systems you would have to.
dazza 38 Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 I say again, no. If you have as a example a eurofox. No flight controls are disconnected. Swing the wings forward, put in the wing root pin and secure it, then attach the turtle deck. It is no different to taking the engine cowl off for a engine inspection then refitting it. Imo
facthunter Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 Trailering a plane will damage it if it is not done properly. Wind loads, Gusts and vibration being the main things to deal with. Nev
arielle Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 RV isn't a LSA they are home built. Or do they come in under the ELSA. There are now factory built RV-12's which will satisfy our LSA requirements, none delivered here yet though as far as I know. I was interested to read Crashley's comment about the ease of fitting the wings, good to hear as it gives some options, hangarage is a problem in many places. 1
DrZoos Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 Unless you cant get, or cant afford hanger space, or absolutely need to trailer it, think again. Think about trailer rash, trailer damage from road bumps, vibration etc , the pain in the but about setup and preflight checks and then x that by 2 to be real..... We looked into it and it seems perfect until you investigate it and find out the reality. By all means if you need it then go for it, but please research it to death first. Those tiny little bolts and those big wings are not really designed for Australian roads and they are more designed to fit more aircraft in sheds or hangers. 4
DrZoos Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 Look up RV 12 remove wings on youtube. Also the eurofox is a cracker
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 Unless you cant get, or cant afford hanger space, or absolutely need to trailer it, think again. Think about trailer rash, trailer damage from road bumps, vibration etc , the pain in the but about setup and preflight checks and then x that by 2 to be real..... We looked into it and it seems perfect until you investigate it and find out the reality.By all means if you need it then go for it, but please research it to death first. Those tiny little bolts and those big wings are not really designed for Australian roads and they are more designed to fit more aircraft in sheds or hangers.
rgmwa Posted September 26, 2013 Posted September 26, 2013 RV isn't a LSA they are home built. Or do they come in under the ELSAAt the end of the day a LSA is a factory certified aircraft that should be maintained buy a level 2 or LAME. So I would have thought disconnecting a control systems you would have to. LSA is performance category, not a registration classification like ELSA, SLSA, AB(E) etc. rgmwa 1
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted September 27, 2013 Posted September 27, 2013 LSA is performance category, not a registration classification like ELSA, SLSA, AB(E) etc.rgmwa Not correct. See http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/rules/1998casr/021/021c42.pdf
rgmwa Posted September 27, 2013 Posted September 27, 2013 Not correct. See http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/rules/1998casr/021/021c42.pdf Thread drift here, but according to AC 21-41(0), an LSA is ... 5. WHAT IS A LIGHT SPORT AIRCRAFT? 5.1 A light sport aircraft (LSA) is a small, simple to operate, low performance aircraft. With regard to the requirements of the CASRs, a light-sport aircraft is an aircraft, other than a helicopter that complies with the following criteria: (1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than 600 kilograms or 650 kilograms for an aircraft intended for operation on water or 560 kilograms for a lighter-than-air aircraft. (2) A maximum stalling speed in the landing configuration (VS0) of not more than 45 knots CAS at the aircraft’s maximum certificated takeoff weight and most critical center of gravity. (3) A maximum seating capacity of no more than two persons, including the pilot. (4) If powered, a single, non-turbine engine fitted with a propeller. (5) A non-pressurised cabin: (i) For an aircraft operating over land, a fixed landing gear; (ii) For an aircraft intended for operation on water, a fixed or repositionable landing gear; and (iii) For a glider a fixed or retractable landing gear. (6) If the aircraft is a glider a maximum never exceed speed Vne of 135 knots CAS. 6. CERTIFICATE OF AIRWORTHINESS FOR LSA 6.1 Types of Certificate of Airworthiness for LSA 6.1.1 There are 2 types of Certificates of Airworthiness for LSA, a Special Certificate of Airworthiness for Light Sport Aircraft (LSA), and an Experimental Certificate for Light Sport Aircraft. ie. SLSA (factory built) and ELSA (kit-built, typically) rgmwa
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted September 27, 2013 Posted September 27, 2013 Thread drift here, but according to AC 21-41(0), an LSA is ...5. WHAT IS A LIGHT SPORT AIRCRAFT? 5.1 A light sport aircraft (LSA) is a small, simple to operate, low performance aircraft. With regard to the requirements of the CASRs, a light-sport aircraft is an aircraft, other than a helicopter that complies with the following criteria: (1) A maximum takeoff weight of not more than 600 kilograms or 650 kilograms for an aircraft intended for operation on water or 560 kilograms for a lighter-than-air aircraft. (2) A maximum stalling speed in the landing configuration (VS0) of not more than 45 knots CAS at the aircraft’s maximum certificated takeoff weight and most critical center of gravity. (3) A maximum seating capacity of no more than two persons, including the pilot. (4) If powered, a single, non-turbine engine fitted with a propeller. (5) A non-pressurised cabin: (i) For an aircraft operating over land, a fixed landing gear; (ii) For an aircraft intended for operation on water, a fixed or repositionable landing gear; and (iii) For a glider a fixed or retractable landing gear. (6) If the aircraft is a glider a maximum never exceed speed Vne of 135 knots CAS. 6. CERTIFICATE OF AIRWORTHINESS FOR LSA 6.1 Types of Certificate of Airworthiness for LSA 6.1.1 There are 2 types of Certificates of Airworthiness for LSA, a Special Certificate of Airworthiness for Light Sport Aircraft (LSA), and an Experimental Certificate for Light Sport Aircraft. ie. SLSA (factory built) and ELSA (kit-built, typically) rgmwa Well, thread drift or not, between the two ACs you have a reasonable summary of what an LSA aircraft actually is. The essential point is that an LSA aircraft is a commercially-manufactured product whose quality is NOT ensured by the steely-eyed scrutiny of a national airworthiness authority, but in respect of which the manufacturer has made a declaration that it complies with a specific design standard. The physical description above gives the limits to the physical characteristics of an aircraft that may be certified that way. Note, in AC 21-42(1), what happens if the manufacturer (who is the only one who can approve a modification or repair to such an aircraft) goes belly-up.
David Isaac Posted September 27, 2013 Posted September 27, 2013 .....Note, in AC 21-42(1), what happens if the manufacturer (who is the only one who can approve a modification or repair to such an aircraft) goes belly-up. Ouch!
rgmwa Posted September 27, 2013 Posted September 27, 2013 The essential point is that an LSA aircraft is a commercially-manufactured product whose quality is NOT ensured by the steely-eyed scrutiny of a national airworthiness authority, but in respect of which the manufacturer has made a declaration that it complies with a specific design standard. The physical description above gives the limits to the physical characteristics of an aircraft that may be certified that way. Note, in AC 21-42(1), what happens if the manufacturer (who is the only one who can approve a modification or repair to such an aircraft) goes belly-up. True, it's commercially manufactured, but that can be either as a fully assembled plane which will become an SLSA, or as a kit which, provided it is built as an exact copy of the SLSA original, will become an ELSA (or an AB(E) if the builder prefers). A manufacturer can't sell an LSA as a kit, unless they have built at least one SLSA original. If the manufacturer of your SLSA goes belly up, you could re-register it as an ELSA, but you can't turn an ELSA back into an SLSA. rgmwa
Guernsey Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 Supa Pup 4 and Aeropup. Both folding wings. Alan.
winsor68 Posted September 28, 2013 Posted September 28, 2013 Unless you cant get, or cant afford hanger space, or absolutely need to trailer it, think again. Think about trailer rash, trailer damage from road bumps, vibration etc , the pain in the but about setup and preflight checks and then x that by 2 to be real..... We looked into it and it seems perfect until you investigate it and find out the reality.By all means if you need it then go for it, but please research it to death first. Those tiny little bolts and those big wings are not really designed for Australian roads and they are more designed to fit more aircraft in sheds or hangers. My family travelled thousands of kilometres towing sailplanes ... including plenty of dirt ... It can be done ... the Sailplane fraternity has been doing it for years... As previously pointed out ...the correct equipment makes all the difference.
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