David Isaac Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 ....that if you happily sign that statement at renewal time each year, and you're not actually capable of passing the RPL Driver's Medical then you are in breach and liable for action to be taken against you by any injured party if anything happens ... and for Criminal (or maybe it would be Civil, I'm not a lawyer) prosecution too, even if anything doesn't happen but you are just found to be insufficiently healthy to pass a Driver's Medical. I don't believe that is the case HITC, and in responding to your post #20 comment, I think you will find that certain medical conditions/history that will allow you to pass a 'Drivers Medical' drive will flag a NO from CASA for the RPL. Contrary to belief it is NOT just a Drivers License medical, it has CASA conditions. If you answer NO to all the flagged medical conditions in the questionnaire, no problem you will get the RPL medical, but if you answer yes to one or some, then your only remedy will be to go down the Class 2 remedial approach which is the same path as anyone else with a Class 2 medical problem. That is where the difference lies as pointed out by Peter in post #23 above. You either pass or fail the RPL medical,any problems and you have to go through the same process with AvMed as a Class 1 or 2 medical holder. That is what I have been told. 1
Head in the clouds Posted October 3, 2013 Author Posted October 3, 2013 I don't believe that is the case HITC, and in responding to your post #20 comment, I think you will find that certain medical conditions/history that will allow you to pass a 'Drivers Medical' drive will flag a NO from CASA for the RPL. Contrary to belief it is NOT just a Drivers License medical, it has CASA conditions.... Yes you're right there are quite a few, the first 3/4 of the page are conditions that fail you from Austroads viewpoint, the last 10 are CASA imposed - RPL Medical Disqualifying Conditions This is a very useful page for checking RPL restrictions of a Medical and Operational nature The Explanatory Statement is helpful in understanding CASA's ethos in the introduction of the DLM and makes mention in the first page of the 10,000 member RAAus 'self-declaration medical procedures' as well as insurance considerations and info gathered from overseas where they have been using similar medical arrangements. Since we're going through the exercise here's the page with all the information and forms on how to Register for the Driver Licence Medical (Aviation) click the links on this page and all the answers are there. Basically it means that if you are fit to pass the Driver Licence Medical (AustRoads) then you need to also be free of the CASA imposed extra restrictions that I've copy/pasted below. If you are affected by the items below you can still go for the Class 2 medical from a CASA approved Avmed practitioner. CASA imposed restrictions - below that are the Austroads imposed restrictions that would disqualify you from driving a car let alone a plane - makes me feel distinctly queasy just reading the list. I think my neighbour has half of all these things and still drives a car. Cancerthe person has had Cancer within last 5 years (except BCCs)CASA ECG changes the person has had Any ECG changes CASA Heart failurethe person has a history of past or current heart failure (see guidance material for qualifications)CASA Hearingthe person is unable to hear a conversational voice from a distance of 2 metresCASA Physical limitationsthe person has any physical limitations or disabilitiesCASA TIAthe person has a history of transient ischaemic attacksCASA Multiple Sclerosis, Cerebral Palsy, Parkinson’s Diseasethe persons has any of these conditionsCASA Head Injurythe person has a history of head injury that is more than trivial (see guidance material for details)CASA Renal calculus diseasethe person has any history of renal calculi or renal colic CASA Vestibular disordersthe person has active vertigo, or a history of benign paroxysmal positional vertigoCASA Blackoutsthe person has experienced blackouts that cannot be diagnosed as syncope, seizure or another condition.Austroads Acute Myocardial Infarctionthe person has had an Acute Myocardial Infarction.Austroads Anginathe person is subject to angina pectoris at rest or on minimal exertion despite medical therapy, or has unstable angina.Austroads Coronary Artery Bypass Graftingthe person requires or has had Coronary Artery Bypass Grafting.Austroads Percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) e.g. angioplastythe person requires or has had a Percutaneous coronary intervention.Austroads Atrial Fibrillationthe person has an episode of fibrillation resulting in syncope or incapacitating symptoms.Austroads Paroxysmal arrythmias (e.g. SVT atrial flutter, idiopathic ventricular tachycardia)the person has near or definite collapse.Austroads Cardiac arrestthe person has suffered a cardiac arrest.Austroads Cardiac Pacemakerthe person requires a cardiac pacemaker or has been implanted or replaced.Austroads Implantable cardioverter defibrillator (ICD)the person requires or has had an Implantable cardioverter defibrillator implanted for ventricular arrhythmiasAustroads ECG Changes: Strain patterns, bundle branch blocks, heart block, etc.the person's conduction defect is causing symptoms.Austroads Aneurysms – abdominal and thoracicthe person has an unrepaired aortic aneurysm, thoracic or abdominal.Austroads Valvular heart diseasethe person has symptoms on moderate exertion.Austroads Dilated Cardiomyopathythe person has a dilated cardiomyopathy.Austroads Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathythe person has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy.Austroads Congenital Disordersthe person has a complicated congenital heart disorder.Austroads Heart Failurethe person experiences symptoms in moderate exertion.Austroads Heart Transplantthe person requires or has had a heart or heart/lung transplant.Austroads Hypertensionthe person has blood pressure consistently greater than 200 systolic or greater than 110 diastolic (treated or untreated).Austroads Syncopethe person has severe enough condition to cause episodes of loss of consciousness without warning.Austroads Diabetes treated by glucose lowering agents other than insulinthe person has end-organ complications that may affect driving, as per this publication, or the person has had a recent ‘severe hypoglycaemic event’.Austroads Insulin-treated diabetesthe person has insulin-treated diabetes.Austroads Musculoskeletal Disordersthe driver’s ability to perform the required driving activities is inadequate.Austroads Dementiathe person has a diagnosis of dementia.Austroads Seizures and Epilepsythe person has experienced a seizure.Austroads Benign paroxysmal positional vertigo (BPPV)the person experiences recurrent sudden and severe episodes of vertigo in the upright posture.Austroads Ménière’s diseasethe person has Ménière’s disease producing vertigo within the preceding two years.Austroads Aneurysms (unruptured intracranial aneurysms) and other vascular malformations of the brainthe person has an unruptured intracranial aneurysm or other vascular malformation at high risk of major symptomatic haemorrhage.Austroads Cerebral Palsythe person has cerebral palsy producing significant impairment of any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight, judgement, attention, reaction time, sensation, muscle power, coordination, vision (including visual fields).Austroads Head Injurythe person has had head injury producing significant impairment of any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight,judgement, attention, reaction time, memory, sensation, muscle power, coordination, vision (including visual fields).Austroads Multiple Sclerosisthe person has multiple sclerosis and significant impairment of any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight, judgement, attention, reaction time, memory, sensation, muscle power, coordination, vision (including visual fields).Austroads Neuromuscular conditionsthe person has peripheral neuropathy, muscular dystrophy or any other neuromuscular disorder that significantly impairs muscle power, sensation or coordination.Austroads Parkinson’s diseasethe person has Parkinson’s disease with significant impairment of movement or reaction time or the onset of dementia.Austroads Strokethe person has had a stroke producing significant impairment of any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight, judgement, attention, reaction time, memory,sensation, muscle power, coordination, vision (including visual fields).Austroads Space-occupying lesions (including brain tumours)the person has had a space-occupying lesion that results in significant impairment of any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight, judgement, attention, reaction time, memory, sensation, muscle power, coordination and vision (including visual fields).Austroads Subarachnoid haemorrhagethe person has had a subarachnoid haemorrhage.Austroads Other neurological conditionsthe person has a neurological disorder that significantly impairs any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight, judgement, attention, reaction time, memory, sensation, muscle power, coordination and vision (including visual fields).Austroads Psychiatric conditionsthe person has a chronic psychiatric condition of such severity that it is likely to impair insight, behaviour, cognitive ability or perception required for safe driving.Austroads Sleep apnoeathe person has established sleep apnoea syndrome (sleep apnoea on a diagnostic sleep study and moderate to severe excessive daytime sleepiness), or if the person has frequent self-reported episodes of sleepiness or drowsiness while driving, or if the person has had motor vehicle crash/es caused by inattention or sleepiness, or if the person, in opinion of the treating doctor, represents a significant driving risk as a result of a sleep disorder.Austroads Narcolepsythe person's narcolepsy is confirmed.Austroads Substance use disorderthe person has alcohol or other substance use disorder, such as substance dependence or heavy frequent alcohol or other substance use that is likely to impair safe driving.Austroads Visual Acuitythe person’s uncorrected visual acuity in the better eye or with both eyes together is worse than 6/12.Austroads Visual Fieldsthe person's binocular visual field does not have a horizontal extent of at least 110 degrees within 10 degrees above and below the horizontal midline, or if there is any significant visual field loss (scotoma) within a central radius of 20 degrees of the foveal fixation or other scotoma likely to impede driving performance.Austroads Monocular visionthe person is monocular.Austroads Diplopiathe person experiences any diplopia (other than physiological diplopia) when fixating objects within the central 20 degrees of the primary direction of gaze.Austroads
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 HITC,My understanding, which means just that ... is that it is not that easy, if not so onerous as to be not really viable, to transfer an aircarft from RA Aus rego to GA 'VH' Exp. The reverse of course is a simple process if you are within the weight limits. Whilst many RA Aus pilots may be able to get the CASA version of the Drivers Medical, many will not. Those that can get a CASA Drivers license medical are also highly likely to be able to get a CASA Class 2 medical ... so where is the advantage other than being able to get a CASA Drivers license medical from any GP.? Is it, now? The requirements for registering an aircraft on the VH register are clearly set out in CASA AC 47-1. Registration on the VH register does not involve airworthiness aspects. The form you have to fill out is tedious, but straightforward. I suspect the "difficult" bit will be that the aircraft has to be issued with a C of A - but that it all covered under CASR 21.174 thru 21.186 and associated ACs, so anybody who is interested in finding out, only needs to look those things up, instead of guessing.
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Yes you're right there are quite a few, the first 3/4 of the page are conditions that fail you from Austroads viewpoint, the last 10 are CASA imposed -RPL Medical Disqualifying Conditions This is a very useful page for checking RPL restrictions of a Medical and Operational nature The Explanatory Statement is helpful in understanding CASA's ethos in the introduction of the DLM and makes mention in the first page of the 10,000 member RAAus 'self-declaration medical procedures' as well as insurance considerations and info gathered from overseas where they have been using similar medical arrangements. Since we're going through the exercise here's the page with all the information and forms on how to Register for the Driver Licence Medical (Aviation) click the links on this page and all the answers are there. Basically it means that if you are fit to pass the Driver Licence Medical (AustRoads) then you need to also be free of the CASA imposed extra restrictions that I've copy/pasted below. If you are affected by the items below you can still go for the Class 2 medical from a CASA approved Avmed practitioner. CASA imposed restrictions - below that are the Austroads imposed restrictions that would disqualify you from driving a car let alone a plane - makes me feel distinctly queasy just reading the list. I think my neighbour has half of all these things and still drives a car. Cancerthe person has had Cancer within last 5 years (except BCCs)CASA ECG changes the person has had Any ECG changes CASA Heart failurethe person has a history of past or current heart failure (see guidance material for qualifications)CASA Hearingthe person is unable to hear a conversational voice from a distance of 2 metresCASA Physical limitationsthe person has any physical limitations or disabilitiesCASA TIAthe person has a history of transient ischaemic attacksCASA Multiple Sclerosis, Cerebral Palsy, Parkinson’s Diseasethe persons has any of these conditionsCASA Head Injurythe person has a history of head injury that is more than trivial (see guidance material for details)CASA Renal calculus diseasethe person has any history of renal calculi or renal colic CASA Vestibular disordersthe person has active vertigo, or a history of benign paroxysmal positional vertigoCASA Blackoutsthe person has experienced blackouts that cannot be diagnosed as syncope, seizure or another condition.Austroads Acute Myocardial Infarctionthe person has had an Acute Myocardial Infarction.Austroads Anginathe person is subject to angina pectoris at rest or on minimal exertion despite medical therapy, or has unstable angina.Austroads Coronary Artery Bypass Graftingthe person requires or has had Coronary Artery Bypass Grafting.Austroads Percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) e.g. angioplastythe person requires or has had a Percutaneous coronary intervention.Austroads Atrial Fibrillationthe person has an episode of fibrillation resulting in syncope or incapacitating symptoms.Austroads Paroxysmal arrythmias (e.g. SVT atrial flutter, idiopathic ventricular tachycardia)the person has near or definite collapse.Austroads Cardiac arrestthe person has suffered a cardiac arrest.Austroads Cardiac Pacemakerthe person requires a cardiac pacemaker or has been implanted or replaced.Austroads Implantable cardioverter defibrillator (ICD)the person requires or has had an Implantable cardioverter defibrillator implanted for ventricular arrhythmiasAustroads ECG Changes: Strain patterns, bundle branch blocks, heart block, etc.the person's conduction defect is causing symptoms.Austroads Aneurysms – abdominal and thoracicthe person has an unrepaired aortic aneurysm, thoracic or abdominal.Austroads Valvular heart diseasethe person has symptoms on moderate exertion.Austroads Dilated Cardiomyopathythe person has a dilated cardiomyopathy.Austroads Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathythe person has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy.Austroads Congenital Disordersthe person has a complicated congenital heart disorder.Austroads Heart Failurethe person experiences symptoms in moderate exertion.Austroads Heart Transplantthe person requires or has had a heart or heart/lung transplant.Austroads Hypertensionthe person has blood pressure consistently greater than 200 systolic or greater than 110 diastolic (treated or untreated).Austroads Syncopethe person has severe enough condition to cause episodes of loss of consciousness without warning.Austroads Diabetes treated by glucose lowering agents other than insulinthe person has end-organ complications that may affect driving, as per this publication, or the person has had a recent ‘severe hypoglycaemic event’.Austroads Insulin-treated diabetesthe person has insulin-treated diabetes.Austroads Musculoskeletal Disordersthe driver’s ability to perform the required driving activities is inadequate.Austroads Dementiathe person has a diagnosis of dementia.Austroads Seizures and Epilepsythe person has experienced a seizure.Austroads Benign paroxysmal positional vertigo (BPPV)the person experiences recurrent sudden and severe episodes of vertigo in the upright posture.Austroads Ménière’s diseasethe person has Ménière’s disease producing vertigo within the preceding two years.Austroads Aneurysms (unruptured intracranial aneurysms) and other vascular malformations of the brainthe person has an unruptured intracranial aneurysm or other vascular malformation at high risk of major symptomatic haemorrhage.Austroads Cerebral Palsythe person has cerebral palsy producing significant impairment of any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight, judgement, attention, reaction time, sensation, muscle power, coordination, vision (including visual fields).Austroads Head Injurythe person has had head injury producing significant impairment of any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight,judgement, attention, reaction time, memory, sensation, muscle power, coordination, vision (including visual fields).Austroads Multiple Sclerosisthe person has multiple sclerosis and significant impairment of any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight, judgement, attention, reaction time, memory, sensation, muscle power, coordination, vision (including visual fields).Austroads Neuromuscular conditionsthe person has peripheral neuropathy, muscular dystrophy or any other neuromuscular disorder that significantly impairs muscle power, sensation or coordination.Austroads Parkinson’s diseasethe person has Parkinson’s disease with significant impairment of movement or reaction time or the onset of dementia.Austroads Strokethe person has had a stroke producing significant impairment of any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight, judgement, attention, reaction time, memory,sensation, muscle power, coordination, vision (including visual fields).Austroads Space-occupying lesions (including brain tumours)the person has had a space-occupying lesion that results in significant impairment of any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight, judgement, attention, reaction time, memory, sensation, muscle power, coordination and vision (including visual fields).Austroads Subarachnoid haemorrhagethe person has had a subarachnoid haemorrhage.Austroads Other neurological conditionsthe person has a neurological disorder that significantly impairs any of the following: visuospatial perception, insight, judgement, attention, reaction time, memory, sensation, muscle power, coordination and vision (including visual fields).Austroads Psychiatric conditionsthe person has a chronic psychiatric condition of such severity that it is likely to impair insight, behaviour, cognitive ability or perception required for safe driving.Austroads Sleep apnoeathe person has established sleep apnoea syndrome (sleep apnoea on a diagnostic sleep study and moderate to severe excessive daytime sleepiness), or if the person has frequent self-reported episodes of sleepiness or drowsiness while driving, or if the person has had motor vehicle crash/es caused by inattention or sleepiness, or if the person, in opinion of the treating doctor, represents a significant driving risk as a result of a sleep disorder.Austroads Narcolepsythe person's narcolepsy is confirmed.Austroads Substance use disorderthe person has alcohol or other substance use disorder, such as substance dependence or heavy frequent alcohol or other substance use that is likely to impair safe driving.Austroads Visual Acuitythe person’s uncorrected visual acuity in the better eye or with both eyes together is worse than 6/12.Austroads Visual Fieldsthe person's binocular visual field does not have a horizontal extent of at least 110 degrees within 10 degrees above and below the horizontal midline, or if there is any significant visual field loss (scotoma) within a central radius of 20 degrees of the foveal fixation or other scotoma likely to impede driving performance.Austroads Monocular visionthe person is monocular.Austroads Diplopiathe person experiences any diplopia (other than physiological diplopia) when fixating objects within the central 20 degrees of the primary direction of gaze.Austroads Well, yes, I had prostate cancer diagnosed in 2005, and surgery. I still have a PPL and a class 2 medical on 2 yearly renewal. I have to produce a record of my PSA level to the medical examiner, that's all. This is all bogey-man stuff; if you're basically fit to fly, you're fit to fly and whilst you might have to answer a few more questions at medical time, it isn't ridiculous. If you're not fit to fly, bad luck, but what are you complaining about that CASA won't let you?
facthunter Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 If you have conditions that require special attention or considerations the RPL is not for you. You do the class 2 (or 1)which can be issued with conditions for each situation. RPL is tick box stuff. The default position is deal with AVMED, through a DAME.. This makes a fair bit of sense if one thinks about it. When a RAAus person certifies that they meet the requirements for a person to drive a private car on a public road that is a bit more than some declaration of 'fit to drive". You are saying YOU meet the written standards. by the road authorities. After a certain age that is not enough anyhow and you have to provide a doctor's cert at each renewal, attesting to the fact of you reaching the required standard. Nev
68volksy Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 If you have conditions that require special attention or considerations the RPL is not for you. You do the class 2 (or 1)which can be issued with conditions for each situation. RPL is tick box stuff. The default position is deal with AVMED, through a DAME.. This makes a fair bit of sense if one thinks about it.When a RAAus person certifies that they meet the requirements for a person to drive a private car on a public road that is a bit more than some declaration of 'fit to drive". You are saying YOU meet the written standards. by the road authorities. After a certain age that is not enough anyhow and you have to provide a doctor's cert at each renewal, attesting to the fact of you reaching the required standard. Nev If you have conditions that require special attention or considerations then flying as pilot in charge of anything is most likely not for you!
peter Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Not sure that I agree with that, you could have terminal cancer but your risk of sudden unexpected death could easily be less than someone with impaired glucose tolerance which has the same cardiac risk as someone who has known ischaemic heart disease. In the first case CASAA would deem you immediately unfit but in the 2nd case CASA makes no distinction. The rules governing AVMED and DAMEs has not kept pace with modern medicine and in many areas is fundamentally flawed. Peter 1
David Isaac Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 If you have conditions that require special attention or considerations then flying as pilot in charge of anything is most likely not for you! Volksy, if you have a condition that would disqualify you from flying as the PIC for a period of time (e.g. in my case a serious of migraine headaches that I declared to my DAME), CASA can still issue you with a class 2 medical with an "as or with copilot" endorsement. This way you can still legally fly as PIC as long as you have another current pilot with you who is aware of your condition and any possible consequences, you wear a full harness seat belt and the copilot is endorsed on the type you are flying. Such an endorsement at one time precluded tandem seating arrangements, but in my case the tandem restriction was lifted by CASA. So these remedies are available with AvMed for Class 1 and 2. No such remedy is available with the RPL medical. 2 1
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 If you have conditions that require special attention or considerations then flying as pilot in charge of anything is most likely not for you! Not quite correct, I believe; my past history of Prostate cancer required (at least, for five years) that my class 2 medical must be issued by AVMED - presumably so they could observe for themselves whether there is a rise in my PSA level that would indicate a secondary cancer starting up. However, whilst there continues to be no such indication, I can continue as PIC. 1
68volksy Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Why on earth did you guys all bother with that going through CASA stuff? Isn't the whole point of RA-Aus to be able to fly an aircraft with an utter disregard to whether you're fit and able? Crikey there's hundreds of guys in those situations who took the easy route and went and got their RA ticket... 1 1
facthunter Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 I never flew it on the driver's licence. Instructing requires the class 2. I wouldn't quite use the terms you have Volksy "Utter disregard to whether you are fit and able" . That would look nice in a newspaper??? Nev
Dafydd Llewellyn Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Why on earth did you guys all bother with that going through CASA stuff? Isn't the whole point of RA-Aus to be able to fly an aircraft with an utter disregard to whether you're fit and able? Crikey there's hundreds of guys in those situations who took the easy route and went and got their RA ticket... Indeed; and utter disregard for quite a few other things, it seems, in some cases . . .
David Isaac Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Ha ha Ha Volksy very funny ... must be the Goulburn air ... Sh!t stirrer. Its because we are very caring loving responsible peoples ...
facthunter Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Anyone who goes to the trouble of getting a top instructor would surely watch their health and fitness to fly. Nev
djpacro Posted October 7, 2013 Posted October 7, 2013 Some amendments to Part 61 already: CASA wishes to advise that Consultation Draft for Proposed amendments to Flight Crew Licensing Suite has been published and is now available for comment. http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PARTS061A few weeks to review and comment.
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now