help! where is Bungy?

[Bruce Tuncks]

Here I was, trying to do the right thing and do the Naips flight planning stuff properly. Then the met part had the following place names:

 

BUNGY; HYDRA; TGU;CANDY; WEBS; KROWS.

 

Well I tried to find a list of place name codes by using the computer, but I wasn't smart enough, or maybe its classified information? I tried the pemet translation, which is great, but it didn't help with these places.

 

They are in South Australia I think, but you can't google them up. Just try to put KROWS into google and you will see.

 

So I thought about writing up an official incident report about how Naips were trying to create an accident, but then prudence stepped in and so I thought to ask here first.

 

regards, Bruce

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

Bruce

 

You can find these in the ERSA. Up front from memory there are IFR anfd VFR waypoints...from memory the ones you quote are IFR waypoints as I seem to recall when I lived in ADL and listened to ATC you often hear ATC use them in relation to STAR clearances for RPT aircraft.... Anyway ERSA is available through NAIPS or from Airservices direct if you google for ERSA...

 

Alternately (but not sure of data provenance and timeliness for changes) you can use http://waypoints.ws/ for a friendly and fast lookup.....

 

Andy

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

It's all on the PCA. BUNGY is in the ocean due south of Adelaide etc.

 

 

[ahlocks]

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aip/current/ersa/IFR__14-Nov-2013.pdf

 

and

 

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aip/current/ersa/VFR__14-Nov-2013.pdf

 

If the links don't work, you may have to accept the disclaimer first

 

 

[DrZoos]

 

 

 

[PA.]

KROWS, so that's where they fly.

 

 

[Jabiru7252]

:oh yeah:Oh Bruce, you disappoint me.... (just joking)

 

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

Thanks guys!

 

I've put the spots on my map already.

 

I'm looking forward to using these names myself when I get the chance to mystify and impress other people.

 

Regarding Jabiru7252 comment, yes I if I should have known this already. But being too proud or shy to ask is one of the most common causes of accidents there is. This applies to airworthiness as well as operations, and its something to watch out for in trainees. Hopefully us older guys have learned its better to be humble and ask when you need to, but remember there's no fool like an old fool.

 

regards , Bruce

 

 

[frank marriott]

Another reference is NAIPS. Search reveals below, (Location Directory). -

 

Unique Name Lat/Long Description

 

---------------- ----------- ----------------

 

BUNGY-YMMM-XX -37.485 138.33 BUNGY WPT

 

Frank

 

 

[kgwilson]

And I always thought "Bungy" was American for "Occy Strap"

 

 

[metalman]

Thanks guys!I've put the spots on my map already.

I'm looking forward to using these names myself when I get the chance to mystify and impress other people.

 

Regarding Jabiru7252 comment, yes I if I should have known this already. But being too proud or shy to ask is one of the most common causes of accidents there is. This applies to airworthiness as well as operations, and its something to watch out for in trainees. Hopefully us older guys have learned its better to be humble and ask when you need to, but remember there's no fool like an old fool.

 

regards , Bruce

Is it right for day VFR pilots to use these points?, up home occasionally the RPT would call the waypoints on the in ,as a local I knew them ,but it really meant nothing if you didn't know the area , they're not common here in Melbourne either, I use some of them for navs, mostly as a point to fly at but I've never made calls using the wpt name , just the geographic name

Matty

 

 

[Neil_S]

Thanks guys!I've put the spots on my map already.

I'm looking forward to using these names myself when I get the chance to mystify and impress other people.

 

Regarding Jabiru7252 comment, yes I if I should have known this already. But being too proud or shy to ask is one of the most common causes of accidents there is. This applies to airworthiness as well as operations, and its something to watch out for in trainees. Hopefully us older guys have learned its better to be humble and ask when you need to, but remember there's no fool like an old fool.

 

regards , Bruce

Hi Bruce,

 

As you imply - dropping weird names like this into the conversation is an opportunity to maintain/reinforce an air of mystique for pilots!

 

All too often in this age of high tech gizmos it is the youngsters who drop weird acronyms into the conversation to confuse us oldies - these names are a rare opportunity for us to get our own back!

 

Cheers

 

Neil

 

 

[frank marriott]

Is it right for day VFR pilots to use these points?

 

If you are a VFR pilot, stay with geographic reference, that is what visual means. Many IFR reporting points are not at any specific geographical reference point i.e. They are an instrument reference point . The VTC gives you VFR reporting and approach points.

 

To use an IFR reporting point you need the relevant certified nav aid/s AND be endorsed to use them (which I believe would be a minimum of a PPL with the relevant nav aid endorsement on that licence). Not a non TSOed GPS.

 

 

[REastwood]

Some of the IFR waypoints do correspond with physical locations (i.e. SWELL is Salt Creek in SA), others are set distances from Major points like MICRO which is 90 DME from Adelaide. It is often a good idea to use an ERC-L chart when planning and noting any of the IFR waypoints that are along your track, a) because IFR aircraft track via these points so you can improve your situational awareness as well as listen to the FIA frequency given on the chart, and b) if you have to talk to ATC you can say you are 5 miles south MICRO instead of 5 miles south of Mount Loggie.

 

A PCA chart should always be used in conjunction with an ARFOR, the BOM specifically relate their information to points on the PCA so it is very difficult to accurately plan a trip without one. You really need to use all the appropriate charts, starting with the PCA, the WAC and the ERC charts (as the ERC will also give you restricted and danger areas not shown on the WAC and outside of the VNC or VTC), then moving to the VNC and the VTC as required. About the only charts not used for VFR would be the ERC-H and the TAC charts.

 

Since OzRunways and AvPlan this has become a lot cheaper and easier to manage.

 

 

[Jabiru7252]

The only time I ever use those strange names is when I look at the weather reports and then refer to the PCA chart. I am also an avid questioner - I always ask about things I do not understand well. The problem is when people reply with "You should Know That" or similar dumb statements. Although I am clever and smart beyond belief I am surrounded at work by Mathematicians and Physicists and thus by comparison appear dumb. We are all smarter than some and not as smart as others and the desire to learn is what separates us from the apes and bogans. By the way Bruce, how's the jet engine project coming along? A few of us a keen to at least see a test firing on the bench.

 

 

[PA.]

By the way Bruce, how's the jet engine project coming along? A few of us a keen to at least see a test firing on the bench.

I just had this mental image of his bench taking off through his workshop door when he fires it up.

 

 

[Bruce Tuncks]

Yep the bench would topple over forwards if it wasn't tied back with a length of old aerotow rope. I've got the erection mechanism working and the motor can be deployed and started. It makes a really good noise and seems to pull the 300N as advertised. It uses nearly a litre per minute which is 4 times what the Jabiru 2200 uses and it sure couldn't fly the Jabiru. But its only 2.7kg and should sustain a Libelle for 20 mins which is the design aim. The fuel will go where the water-ballast tanks were.

 

Right now I need to get a CAR35 engineer to approve the fitting plans. In the meantime, I enjoy showing it off so if anyone is around, let me know.

 

Thanks again for the good info about those locations.

 

regards, Bruce

 

 

[DrZoos]

I just tell them on the radio, i have no idea what your talking about please use vfr terms. It gets them every time. They shortly come back with real locations.

 

One bloke insisted on continuing to use ifr points so i said to him, well you better watch out for me and the 3 other RAAus pilots cause we have no idea where you are or where your heading.

 

About 2 min later he started reporting in vfr language. I have since learned the gps approach points but its pretty silly for them to assume everyone is ifr trained, especially with so many student pilots in our area.