Keith Page Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Has anyone heard? I do like the RAAus submission, covers very good points, what I have heard and read CASA will have some very hard questions to answer. We all know about the Aviation Safety Regulation Review 30th January 2014. However there is to be a "CASA/RAAus relationship enquiry, that is a curved ball. As I here there will be alot of questions asked of CASA and RAAus -- regarding management of both organisation in respect of their working arangemnets/relationships. I will be looking further into this as there will be people about with their eyes and eyes open. The two I have asked so far have gone quiet when have I asked them to elaborate. Wondering who else has heard anything. Regards Keith Page.
Yenn Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Keith. What are you saying? Please spit it put.
motzartmerv Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Good luck keith. I cant even get the minutes out of the RAA..
fly_tornado Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Thats how "need to know" works, you don't need to know.
motzartmerv Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 yea i do. I feed my kids with flying FT. If there is a threat to their dinner then i believe I have a right to know. 1
motzartmerv Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 See the abortion of an email that was sent out by the GM last month RE insurance. What a cluster shag that was. All I asked for was the minutes which would show his contentions were sound. Still no reply. I know exactly what happened (through other means) but I want to hear it from the man who sent me the email.
fly_tornado Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 scary to think you are almost entirely income dependent on the RAA making good decisions when you think of the RAA's track record. 2
facthunter Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Think how many are dependent on a decision by CASA from time to time. Subject to change with no notice, no redress Nev
Guest ozzie Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I've just let my membership lapse and sold my Lazair yesterday. Enough is enough!
facthunter Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I didn't renew mine a few months ago Ozzie. It's death by a thousand cuts. Nev 2
fly_tornado Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 This the problem with working in secrecy, it's so easy to make a bad decision and it passes without comment.
motzartmerv Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Yes it's very scary. But at least casa reply to emails etc
fly_tornado Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 The board doesn't really answer to anyone, you can operate in secrecy and you don't need any qualifications apart from being a "good bloke" to get onto the board. Its a recipe for poor performance. 1 1
facthunter Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I'll reserve my comment on that f.t. I have no idea what pressure they are working under and am prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt and how well they are being dealt with. Nev 2
fly_tornado Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Once the RAA works in a transparent fashion you can evaluate their process without bias at your leisure. The longer the board works in secret the harder it is to evaluate the job they do. 1
Riley Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 I've just let my membership lapse and sold my Lazair yesterday. Enough is enough! Am genuinely sorry to hear that Ozzie. I don't fancy the RAA chances of the rest of us if early AUF founding members are giving up in disgust. All the very best wishes at whatever you do. We'll miss you. Riley 3 5
farri Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Am genuinely sorry to hear that Ozzie. Riley Me also. Frank.
dazza 38 Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Has this have something to do with a few guys have got jobs with RAA, then were trained up with how the RAA is run . Then excited stage left and ended up working for CASA ? 1
facthunter Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 That's a fairly important point dazza. We have now 3 top 'employees" in this category and those positions are somewhat hard to replace. This seems inappropriate when the organisation is under pressure from the same CASA. We are not like some aero club somewhere. We arefunctioning for and towards our members as a delegated arm of CASA. If we failed under the watch of CASA they still have a duty to make sure we still function or intervene and take over the job. which they would be doing if we weren't there or folded I assert we should have been supported in the crippling court matter as they are co-joined in any case.. We are not important enough for it to have been pushed with any great effect, so we have struggled on for so long that many such as myself can't see the end. I've lost more dough than I could have anticipated and I doubt that I can ever get back to where I was a few years ago as I can't find the lost capital. I don't know if others have been affected but I'm sure they would be. Nev
Yenn Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 "However there is to be a "CASA/RAAus relationship enquiry". That is what Keith wrote and I asked him what he was saying. I still wonder what he is saying and why he doesn't elaborate on it, and I can't see what anyone else is bitching about. It all seems to me to be the same old innuendo to me.If you see something wrong why not say what it is?
Keith Page Posted February 19, 2014 Author Posted February 19, 2014 Has this have something to do with a few guys have got jobs with RAA, then were trained up with how the RAA is run . Then excited stage left and ended up working for CASA ? That Dazza is part of the equation. What I can not understand why CASA takes to RAAus with a big stick (as we are lead to believe), why not put this energy to good use and promote safe flying "or" is it CASA making this noise so the pollies think that CASA is doing great work so the funding can keep flowing? Well they are getting more bodies in their organisation. I have a suspicion that someone in the Honourable Deputy Prime Minister Mr Warren Truss's office has wind of this hence now they are going to look into what is going on. Has your question been answered Yen? I am sad to see you go Ozzie, are you going fishing? Motzartmerv keep the presure going, you know there is always a bit of truth leaks out with the <*>^^++==. F_T. The board is answerable to the members you know. We had secrecy with the last board what is new? I see Major puts his two bobs worth in occasionaly and I also see one thread bagging him for having an oppinion,, OI! Why can not he have view he is a RAAus member first of all then a board member. Keep your good work going Major I say thak you Major without you we will have very little information. Regards Keith Page
Keith Page Posted February 19, 2014 Author Posted February 19, 2014 "However there is to be a "CASA/RAAus relationship enquiry". That is what Keith wrote and I asked him what he was saying.I still wonder what he is saying and why he doesn't elaborate on it, and I can't see what anyone else is bitching about. It all seems to me to be the same old innuendo to me.If you see something wrong why not say what it is? Been out doing chores Yen and you slipped a post in while I was writing. Does this answer the question for you? What I say here, go and get your finger on the pulse and see what is happening. Regards Keith Page.
Guest Maj Millard Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 The word 'secretcy' is just not appropriate when talking about the boards' required degree of confidentially. The board needs to operate with a degree of confidentially to be efficient in what it does, ....otherwise nothing would be achieved at all. Getting a consensus from 12 people is bad enough..it just would not work, in the time that it needs to, if thousands or even hundreds were bought into the loop. You elected the current board members as your trusted representatives, and the current board is doing that well, and as an efficient team. A lot of what we have been recently dealing with was reported accuratly in the last magazine, in a timely fashion, and should continue to be. The board doesn't even share it's decisions with the GM and office exects until it has hashed things out, made a combined decision, and feel it is ready to be shared with all. I can guarantee you there is nothing 'secret' going on, that you won't hear about in the short term. Remember we are often harshly critized for the decisions we make on your behalf....but I can assure you, from what I have seen so far, those decisions are usually the correct and appropriate ones for the organisation, and the members, as a whole.........If you find yourself not happy with all this, the solution is easy, put your hand up next time the elections come around........................Maj......
facthunter Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 Keep it up, Maj and all. Just added the comma. Looks bad without it Nev 1
fly_tornado Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 The process lacks transparency Maj. The more you hide, the more it looks like you've got something to hide.
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