Convert to GFPT?

[AZNA]

Asking a question of behalf of a friend.

 

He has 27 hours in a jabiru j160 including 4 solo.

 

Do these hours convert / add onto if he was to change to ga and do a GFPT even know he does not have the RAA certificate yet. His intention is to PPL and onto CPL.

 

Cheers , AZNA

 

 

[nickduncs84]

The short answer is yes. In fact, if he's looking to progress to CPL standard, then he can count 100 RA Aus hours towards the 200 hour requirement.

 

 

[ayavner]

yes its all down to aeronautical experience. The J160 counts as a group A ultralight, which counts towards the hours needed for GFPT or PPL.

 

 

[ben87r]

Your friend will still find allot of new information and procedures on the GA Route so it's not quite a simple transfer as he will need to meet the standard, it's one like one step backwards rather then wasted time and in the long run it all counts!

 

 

[68volksy]

The book says the hours count but your friend should remain very aware of what potential employers are looking for if he's going through to CPL and would like to get a job in aviation. Many GA employers will simply ignore RA hours. Same goes with parachuting hours.

 

If he's after employment in charter, instructing or RPT then he'll basically be needing a good amount of navigational hours in GA aircraft. Any hours spent in RA are wasted dollars. Employers for these positions aren't looking for someone to fly an aircraft - pretty much anyone can do that. Employers (well ones you'd want on your resume anyway) are looking for experience with heavier aircraft, planning and executing a flight safely in accordance with all regulations, along with a mature, considered and safety-first approach.

 

 

[ben87r]

Recommend a new log book when starting GA with a record of your hours in the front from RA, and just list the RA AC types flown on the resume. That's what I did and no questions asked but I still had 200 +GA hours and MECIR so don't think it would have been an issue anyways.

 

 

[ben87r]

But, the hours from RA did poke my head a little in front of the 200 and sub hour guys! :)

 

 

[dazza 38]

The GA employers that ignore RAA hours are wankers. Generally guys with Ultralight time have better stick and rudder skills that guys who have only flown tin cans. Just sayin

 

 

[Peter008]

I love the way that you always see the best in people Dazza....... You could have said that many many way but you chose to be derogatory.

 

 

[ben87r]

Autopilot will do all the stick and rudder you can ask of it....it won't deal with traffic, rx, IALs and all of the other pressures of flying that don't really get coverd in RA, ild like to think being CPs they would know what would best suit charter flying. Might help with isnstructing

 

 

[dazza 38]

Autopilot will do all the stick and rudder you can ask of it....it won't deal with traffic, rx, IALs and all of the other pressures of flying that don't really get coverd in RA, ild like to think being CPs they would know what would best suit charter flying. Might help with isnstructing

I totally agree Ben, but when some GA schools says to RAA pilots that their hours don't count at all or ignore their hours, that to me is ridiculous , it is not as though they have been flying a balloon. They are flying a 3 axis machine. When I converted I went from a Jabiru to a Piper Archer with Southern Skies at Archerfield. Sure, I had learn more about airspace procedures and weight and balance ect. But my hours still counted ,by that I mean all I had to do was get used to the aeroplane and the airspace. I didn't have to start from scratch.

 

 

[dazza 38]

I love the way that you always see the best in people Dazza....... You could have said that many many way but you chose to be derogatory.

I was being derogatory ? Jeez sorry mate, I thought I was going easy on them.

 

 

[ben87r]

I think that if you did 100hr in RA then went across to do a further 100GA toward CPL that the student would struggle to be at a standard to be employed. In my case I had 40ish jab hours. I then ignored them as the school wouldn't recognise them because that said I wouldn't meet their standard (and I was well short) I then did a 150hr CPL and then MECIR. My RA hours didn't mean anything until I was completed and everyone else had 190-200hrs! Then they counted a hell of allot, just not through training

 

 

[coljones]

The hours are a threshold accumulation. The candidate still needs to demonstrate competence in each flying skill. Flight tests, reviews and hours alone don't carry a qualitative scale so it is hard down stream (upstream) to make a simple judgement about an individual's capabilities based purely on hours.

 

 

[poteroo]

I think that if you did 100hr in RA then went across to do a further 100GA toward CPL that the student would struggle to be at a standard to be employed. In my case I had 40ish jab hours. I then ignored them as the school wouldn't recognise them because that said I wouldn't meet their standard (and I was well short) I then did a 150hr CPL and then MECIR. My RA hours didn't mean anything until I was completed and everyone else had 190-200hrs! Then they counted a hell of allot, just not through training

Starting off in RAAus is no big disadvantage if your flying standards are high. You'll only achieve these through being disciplined and flying with purpose. Doodling around the training area with a mate as pax, never worrying about heading and altitude, using sloppy radio calls, and just enjoying the view is not going to advance you toward CPL. But, by doing some long navexs, flight planning with NAIPS, into busy airports, keeping a good log, holding SAR, and in general performing up to or better than PPL standard is going to be beneficial - regardless of what rego is on the side. Of course you will need to shift over to a GA aircraft as you move toward full PPL and CPL - but you can achieve a lot via some RAAus training. Helps if your instructors also happen to be GA and also train to CPL levels.

 

happy days,

 

 

[dazza 38]

qantas do not recognize ultralight hoursthey must be w*nkers then so hope u don't fly with them dazzlar

That is totally different. The original poster is asking about GFPT. Qantas on the other hand are looking for pilots that are Instrument rated and have multi engine turbine time.

Well that is the way it was, who knows what the go is with cadets these days.

 

 

[Guest SAJabiruflyer]

I love the way that you always see the best in people Dazza....... You could have said that many many way but you chose to be derogatory.

Must be pick on Dazza week. Dazza calls a spade a f%^&ing shovel, which is a pretty good trait IMNSHO

 

 

[Gnarly Gnu]

qantas do not recognize ultralight hours

Yeah well they don't recognize GA either, front of queue to kick any GA operations out.