GA or RA

[stevron]

Is RA getting to hard, with ther uncertainty in registration , is it time to consider changing to over to GA reg

 

 

[503]

No.........

 

 

[Dafydd Llewellyn]

None of the above . . .

 

 

[Head in the clouds]

None of the above . . .

GFA then?

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

Is RA getting to hard, with ther uncertainty in registration , is it time to consider changing to over to GA reg

I don't believe there is any uncertainty, rather for what ever reason at the moment its taking longer than it should, but knock backs aren't occurring afaik. Its not as though is arbitrary, you either meet the requirements or you don't, if you don't you will be told why and what options you have.

 

I do believe the delay thing is only temporary, I have been told that a real fix is in progress which will abruptly and permanently solve the issue, assuming full stakeholder acceptance which is in progress

 

Andy

 

 

[Dafydd Llewellyn]

[ATTACH=full]31690[/ATTACH] GFA then?

Yep. Suits me, I have a GFA maintenance authority; and gliders do not have the altitude constraints that apply to RAA-registered aircraft. I've no need to use the aircraft for commuting or to fly in controlled airspace. This is NOT a comment on what Darren Barnfield is trying to achieve; GFA never got that slack in the first place. If Darren gets a clear go to complete what he's doing, it will just about bring RAA up to that standard.

 

 

[ave8rr]

GA and SAAA are definitely a good thing their is no doubt aboutit

NO annual re-registration either. Once registered that's it.

 

 

[Dafydd Llewellyn]

Yep. That's the way it works, on the VH register.

 

 

[Guest nunans]

Yeah but you have to build it or pay for the lame to maintain it. So if you're not in a position/have time or want to build then raa is the only cheap option left. The $65/seat that ra rego costs wouldn't even get a lame to do an anual on a paper plane..

 

 

[Ballpoint 246niner]

Ten years worth of RA rego still wouldn't come close to an average GA 100 hourly.

 

 

[Dafydd Llewellyn]

Yeah but you have to build it or pay for the lame to maintain it. So if you're not in a position/have time or want to build then raa is the only cheap option left. The $65/seat that ra rego costs wouldn't even get a lame to do an anual on a paper plane..

Not in GFA. Gliders (and motor-gliders) are registered VH. They do not HAVE to be maintained by a LAME; they have to be signed out by a GFA Glider Inspector holding the appropriate glider maintenance authority.

 

 

[stevron]

But have we all had enough of bringing RA up to date , it been going on for years and gross inconvience to RA pilots.

 

The next group of executives are they too, going to bring RA up to speed, it's going to be on going.

 

 

[Dafydd Llewellyn]

Good question. Next question? . . . .

 

The whole recreational aviation situation is based on a structure of exemptions, under the 95 series CAOs. It "just growed" that way, like Topsy, because under the old regulations, that was the only available way to do it; CAR 308 allows CASA to make exemptions, and it goes way back to the old Air Navigation Regulations, and the GFA hauled itself together about 1947 or whenever, and applied to DCA to be allowed to manage itself via such an exemption. That mechanism, in one form or another, was copied by all the other recreational bodies as they reached the point of being able to do so; and DCA/CAA/CASA saw this as a useful way of unloading the work of administering such "fringe activities" to the world of the airlines and GA.

 

The result has been a whole bunch of administrative bodies, each with its own patch of turf which it defends furiously, each with its own set of overheads, and each being somewhat parochial. The exemptions are handled somewhat differently in each case, so there's no uniformity.

 

In America, it is all handled by FAR Part 91; and the whole of experimental "category" is covered by a couple of paragraphs in Part 91. I have not studied the details.

 

In Britain, there are the British Gliding Association and the Popular Flying Association - and they work fairly autonomously, and seem to do a pretty competent job of it.

 

I'm inclined to think that we should examine these other countrys' ways of doing it, and see where our way could be improved. I do not think AUF/RAA were altogether wise in the way their modus operandi was established.

 

 

[stevron]

It seems to me, we should look at other countries and organisation for some guidance as we can not keep spend huge man hours trying to comply or re jigging to the point of loosing members because they disillusioned by constant hold ups in licences and regos

 

 

[Dafydd Llewellyn]

It seems to me, we should look at other countries and organisation for some guidance as we can not keep spend huge man hours trying to comply or re jigging to the point of loosing members because they disillusioned by constant hold ups in licences and regos

New Zealand would be the place to start, I suspect.