another SA incident today, good ending this time

[cooperplace]

Jabiru landed because door was "insecure"

 

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-police-news-assets/front-page-news/pilot-plane-makes-emergency-landing-neat-riverton#.VDd5JBYZkXk

 

 

[AVOCET]

That hapened to me once , I thought i would continue the flight but the noise was a pain , landed on a sucluded streach of road in the flinders , closed door, took off,

 

No media , No big deal .

 

 

[DrZoos]

It happened to a person i know recently in a Barron and no one knows

 

 

[dazza 38]

I have mentioned this before, it happened to me in a Piper Archer . Top latch held.

 

 

[Guest ozzie]

C152 for me. completed circuit and shut it during touch and go.

 

 

[WayneL]

Happened to me in a A36 Bonanza taking off out of Casino, door completely unlatched and opened about 20 mm. Gave us a fright from the noise. Pax could not pull it closed so just held it the best he could. No wind and no traffic so I did a teardrop turn and landed back the other way, closed the door then took off again!

 

I was in a C152 solo, on takeoff around 100 feet when an almighty Bang,Bang, Bang noise was heard, My instant reaction was to reduce the throttle, thinking I had a major failure somewhere! The banging stopped so I eased the throttle on and all stayed quiet til I landed. The seat belt was hanging out the door and the metal clip was hitting the side of the aircraft!

 

Wayne

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Same thing in a single Comanche out of Bankstown, had to turn about and land to close the door.

 

 

[Ultralights]

had it happen in a Jabiru LSA, as well as a cherokee, being solo at the time i had no chance of holding it, but fortunately they dont open very far, about 3 inches, and as noisy as anything...

 

 

[dazza 38]

It happens a lot more than people think, it isn't a drama in most planes. Pilots just have to remember to fly the plane and forget about the door.

 

 

[flyvulcan]

Me too unfortunately, in a Rockwell Commander 112. It opened about 4" and stayed there until we landed. We were at about 5000' at the time and we simply carried on to the next airfield enroute which was only about 10 minutes away. No big deal but my missus got a bit of a cool backside from the slight draft. It wasn't too noisy either.

 

Lesson learnt about checking the door thoroughly, particularly when someone else closes it...

 

 

[turboplanner]

Me too in a Cherokee on first solo, door just opened a couple of inches, but a huge noise, and couldn't pull it closed. Finished the circuit and landed.

 

These are all good examples of the Bernoulli effect, and the Human Factors failure to "identify" when doing the "Hatches" check.

 

 

[Guest Andys@coffs]

You know that saying those who have landed wheels up and the rest still have to experience it.....I believe its more accurate to say those who have taken off with door open or not properly latched, or seat belt out the door even with it locked and those who will.......

 

I think it catches everyone at some point....In a J the noise from the seatbelt end banging on the side of the plane in the slipstream is truly a pucker moment until you've experienced it once......As Tubs says, it brings a sense of reality to "hatches and Harnesses" part of the checks.

 

Andy

 

 

[frank marriott]

I'm a bit puzzled why you have to land a Jab in a paddock because of an open door - why not just close it [unless it was more then just an open door]. A different story in Beech A36/ Barron types as mentioned above - have heard it is possible by sideslipping towards the open door whilst trying to close it however that is hearsay as I haven't been present when it was done.

 

 

[red750]

I was shooting touch and goes in a V-tailed Bonanza at Moorabbin (many years ago) when the door came open on about the third circuit. I had heard and read about it being relatively common in Bonanza's (it's covered in the PoH). Apart from being loud and cold, there were no ill effects. I completed the circuit as a full stop and taxied back to the holding point for another circuit, closing the door as I taxied.

 

 

[flyerme]

Yep I'm a member ... Posted on you tube " light wing door open In flight",My PAX was reassured it flies fine with doors open or removed ( being a retro fit) .

 

it was due to my pax having a rather plump behind .. Lol next time he came up I just removed the doors first.

 

 

[rick-p]

Probably a stick exhaust valve or a through bolt caused the door to unlock and open. It's amazing what grief Jabiru engine can cause according to some experts!

 

 

[turboplanner]

Probably a stick exhaust valve or a through bolt caused the door to unlock and open. It's amazing what grief Jabiru engine can cause according to some experts!

Why make a joke of the solid statistics. It won't be so funny if someone doesn't make it in a forced landing, and no doubt the humour will be switched to bawling about a great guy, or a meticulous pilot etc.

 

 

[Dafydd Llewellyn]

Door opening is pretty common in low wing cabin aircraft due to the pressure differential between the cabin and the flow over the wing (the low pressure field extends over the top of the fuselage to a considerable extent.) The suction means you can't close the door in flight. I've had it in a Bonanza and a Cherokee. Main thing is, don't over-react and do something silly; it's NOT an emergency, just a nuisance. You do tend to lose flight paperwork. Not common in high-wing aircraft, because the pressure differential is a lot less.

 

Where it's dangerous, or potentially so, is in an aircraft that has an upward-opening canopy; loss of the canopy can make some aircraft uncontrollable - especially if it takes the fin off as it goes.

 

 

[metalman]

Had a jump door pop open on a C185 at short final a few years back, scared the sh*t out of me but the plane flew fine! I landed ,stopped ,slammed the bas**rd shut! and continued on, the one that gives me chills if the thought of a rear hinging canopy coming open( ripping off actually) ,that would be a shocker

 

 

[Oscar]

The solid statistics (from your excellent research) show an approximately 4% forced landing result from Jab. engine problems, including a few which appeared to be precautionary and MAY have been incorrectly diagnosed icing. While that is not as good as fewer instances, it isn't indicative of a tsunami of occurrences, as some would try to suggest.

 

 

[facthunter]

Yes, don't panic, is the main thing. On my checklist the first check is hatches, harness. IF the other seat is not occupied the seatbelt should be clasped to secure it.

 

I think I can recall slipping fairly severely and having the pax close it. A canopy is a different matter. High airloads at speed and a partially unlatched or worse is serious. Needs to be designed well. Nev

 

 

[metalman]

The worst open door incident I had was when my passenger decided he was going to vomit after becoming very sick during a rough flight. In a PA28, he opened the door to stick his head out but the slip stream was too strong. I throttled back to about 70 knots, added some flap and held her steady. Next minute my mate removes his seat belt and leans right out saying he doesn't want any chunder coming back in the plane. With about half his body out the plane he suddenly slips out, due to turbulence. Oh God I thought, just grabbing his ankle in time. For what seemed forever we're flying around with me holding his ankle and trying to keep the plane flying and him screaming and carrying on like a fool. Gradually I realised he sounded like a girl and was somehow slapping my face. Confused and bewildered I slowly woke to find my girl friend slapping me about and yelling "What the hell are you doing, let go of my ankle you idiot" at the top of her voice. That was some dream, probably caused by the pizza. (This story has been embellished with exaggerations and lies for your amusement, oh, and to test the new system.)

Really had me right up to the end,,,,bloody funny bugger! There's was a very similar incident with an airliner though, the pilot survived it aswell

 

 

[SDQDI]

7252 that was a cracker Although it seems to have disappeared??? Thanks for the laugh anyway:clap:

 

 

[Jabiru7252]

The worst open door incident I had was when my passenger decided he was going to vomit after becoming very sick during a rough flight. In a PA28, he opened the door to stick his head out but the slip stream was too strong. I throttled back to about 70 knots, added some flap and held her steady. Next minute my mate removes his seat belt and leans right out saying he doesn't want any chunder coming back in the plane. With about half his body out the plane he suddenly slips out, due to turbulence. Oh God I thought, just grabbing his ankle in time. For what seemed forever we're flying around with me holding his ankle and trying to keep the plane flying and him screaming and carrying on like a fool. Gradually I realised he sounded like a girl and was somehow slapping my face. Confused and bewildered I slowly woke to find my girl friend slapping me about and yelling "What the hell are you doing, let go of my ankle you idiot" at the top of her voice. That was some dream, probably caused by the pizza. (This story has been embellished with exaggerations and lies for your amusement, oh, and to test the new system.)

 

 

[Jabiru7252]

I posted, then deleted, then reposted, so now all will be confused because responses precede the posting. Kinda like fooling about with time I guess.