facthunter Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 230 hard to land? I thought it was one of the easiest of the Jabs to land. Keep the weight off the nosewheel all the time. Am I missing something? Nev
motzartmerv Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 Its not hard to land. At all, but a lot of pilots do carry too much speed onto the ground with it and the roll out gets exiting.
facthunter Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 I agree with that. They need to operate off a short strip for a while, and they would change their style. (or run through the far fence). Unless there are obstacles, your mains should touch down within 150-200 meters of the threshold and the nosewheel should be off the ground when you do. Nev.
Jabiru Phil Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 Bitumen sure grabs the nose wheel if you are too fast with not enough stick back. Full back trim for landings seem to help.
facthunter Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 The ones I've flown, full back trim does not cancel out the back stick force, so that could be a factor. Coming in with excess speed is a (bad) habit you can acquire through laziness. You don't have to put in as much effort as when pinning it at the correct speed. Don't forget the speed varies a lot with your landing weight. Correct tor it and you won't float as far If your engine idle speed is too high it floats too far as well. Nev
poteroo Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 The ones I've flown, full back trim does not cancel out the back stick force, so that could be a factor. Coming in with excess speed is a (bad) habit you can acquire through laziness. You don't have to put in as much effort as when pinning it at the correct speed. Don't forget the speed varies a lot with your landing weight. Correct tor it and you won't float as far If your engine idle speed is too high it floats too far as well. Nev Agree. Placing 20kg drum of water or 20kg bag of wheat rearwards will help to get the trim 'centered' and so it actually will trim out for a 60kt approach. C182's are notable for this lack of trim power when empty. For conversion training, I usually place 40kg in the baggage compartment and that gets things under control. We could begin to talk about flying on the' back' side of the drag/power curve - only for more experienced pilots - but this sorts out the too fast landings. happy days, 1
motzartmerv Posted October 15, 2014 Posted October 15, 2014 On the step approaches are the answer in many types, but from an ab initio point of view probably not a 'standard' approach technique. And certainly not with a jab engine
turboplanner Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2014/aair/ao-2014-160.aspx
ave8rr Posted October 21, 2014 Author Posted October 21, 2014 http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2014/aair/ao-2014-160.aspx No change to what was posted in post #1 of this thread?? Mike
quentas Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 When you get the hang of it, you can do touch and goes in a 230 without the nose wheel touching the deck.
turboplanner Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 No change to what was posted in post #1 of this thread??Mike Sorry about that, scrolled to the top of the page looking for an ATSB report but forgot I was on Page 2.
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