Guest Andys@coffs Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Folks The following Board meeting motions will be posted on the RAAus members website today at some stage. Im happy to provide them here, I know many of you will be interested but understand that I will not go into any detail about who said what to who or why they voted as they did, for board solidarity reasons. I will say however that a number of the motions directly address issues that have been raised here in the last week. If needed I will speak about those motions but only in the context of what is approved, not what might come as stages 2 or 3 or....... For clarity I will identify that "Stock control" is not a retail or warehouse function...the Stock here are the 4 legged variety that wander around farms...or any place not enclosed by fences...... Regards Andy RA-Aus Board Meeting 19 October 2014 Record of Motions and Member Communication Attendees New South Wales Michael Monck (Chairman/President) New South Wales Andrew Saywell New South Wales Michael Apps Northern Territory Mark Christie North Queensland Ross Millard South Australia Ed Herring South Queensland Tony King (Secretary) South Queensland Mike Smith South Queensland Trevor Bange Tasmania Eugene Reid Victoria Jim Tatlock (Treasurer) Victoria Carol Richards (Proxy for Rod Birrell) Western Australia Ed Smith Attendees – Ex-Officio CEO Michael Linke Board Secretariat Kelly Stirton Executive Election Motion: That Michael Monck be elected to the position of president (unopposed), Tony King be elected to the position of Secretary (unopposed) and Jim Tatlock be elected to the position of Treasurer (unopposed). The executive all returned to their positions unopposed. No vote was held. Minutes of last Board Meeting Motion: That the minutes from the last Board Meeting be accepted Moved: Ed Smith Seconded: Mike Smith Carried (unanimous) President, Secretary and Management Reports Motion: Acceptance of the President, Secretary and Management Reports Moved: Carol Richards Seconded: Ed Smith Carried (unanimous) Financial Report and Audit Report Motion: Acceptance of the financial reports and the audit report Moved: Jim Tatlock Seconded: Tony King Carried (unanimous) Budget The CEO presented a budget that outlined RA-Aus’ commitment to deliver a full suite of services in the next financial year. Our commitment to delivering these services means that we need to run a deficit budget with a view to moving into surplus in the next 12-18 months as a number of strategic and operational plans are implemented. Motion: Accept the budget for 2014/15 and preliminary budget for 2015/16 Moved: Trevor Bange Seconded: Andrew Saywell All in favour: Trevor Bange, Mark Christie, Andrew Saywell, Jim Tatlock, Michael Monck, Tony King, Mike Smith, Ross Millard. Against: Michael Apps, Ed Herring, Carol Richards, Ed Smith and Eugene Reid Carried, eight in favour, five against. Sport Pilot Magazine Sport Pilot accounts for some 14% of our overall expenditure. After considering a detailed plan from the CEO. All members will have access to a free digital copy of Sport Pilot under this proposal, however in attempting to reduce the deficit the Board felt it prudent to introduce a subscription model of printed copies of Sport Pilot. Between October 2014 and April 2015 RA-Aus will undertake a detailed communication plan with all members to determine a fair and equitable way to distribute Sport Pilot. Motion: 1. RA-Aus take control of printing and distribution (CEO to negotiate contract). 2. RA-Aus introduce a free digital magazine to member’s from 1 April 2015. 3. RA-Aus introduce a paid subscription model for members from 1 April 2015. The cost of subscription be closely tied to the cost of production, but with view to ensuring costs, both hard and soft, are covered and determined by the CEO. 4. Sport Pilot be removed from newsstands and converted to a member’s only resource. 5. The CEO do all things necessary to renegotiate the contract in the most favourable terms to RA-Aus. 6. The CEO do all things necessary to deliver recommendations 1, 2, 3 in the most favourable terms to RA-Aus and its membership. Moved: Mark Christie Seconded: Tony King Abstained: Ed Herring Carried 12 in favour, none against, one abstention. Modernisation of RA-Aus RA-Aus is committed to improving the way it works with members. In achieving the best outcome in terms of modernising the way we deal with members the Board freed up $25,000 of Capital reserves to allow the CEO to fully investigate modernisation strategies. Motion: 1. The CEO continue to develop an overarching strategy in accordance with the time line presented above. 2. $25,000 be allocated to undertake scoping, proof of concept, specification and testing to allow the project to move to the next level. Moved: Ed Herring Seconded: Ross Millard Carried (Unanimous) Natfly Natfly is under review so RA-Aus can explore ways of improving its flagship event. The board took the decision to defer the national fly-in pending a full review of RA-Aus' activities and calendar of events. The decision was made with a view to reinvigorating Natfly to attract a wide and varied audience. At this stage Natfly will definitely not be held on the Easter weekend in March 2015, nor before that weekend. RA-Aus is currently undertaking a full review of the event and a further announcement about the timing of the next Natfly is expected to be made in January. Motion: The Board dissolve the Natfly committee and hand it over to the staff in the office. Moved: Ed Herring Seconded: Ross Millard Carried (unanimous) Motion: To not hold Natfly in March 2015 subject to confirmation of contractual obligations with Temora Council Moved: Ross Millard Seconded: Trevor Bange Carried (unanimous) Motion: The management team to explore the option of holding Natfly at Temora in conjunction with other sporting aviation organisations in the later part of 2015, if not 2016, and report to the Board by the end of January 2015. Moved: Ed Herring Seconded: Tony King Carried (unanimous) Landing Fees For many years RA-Aus has acted as a collection agency for airports and Avdata. This role has added significant administrative operating costs and was no longer sustainable. The Board believes that landing fees are a contract between the landing Pilot and the relevant airport and as such RAAus will no longer act as a collection agency for Airports or Avdata. RA-Aus will be writing to the Airports Association of Australia and affected Airports in the near to future to advise them of this decision. Members are encouraged to provide their name and address details to Avdata or the relevant airport to facilitate the collection of landing fees. RA-Aus will not be sharing member details with Avdata nor any airport unless expressly permitted by the member concerned. Motion: RA-Aus extricate itself from this process altogether and leave the contract between the pilot (member) and airport to be self-managed. Moved: Michael Apps Seconded: Ed Herring Carried (unanimous) Document Review Process RA-Aus introduced a document review process to facilitate a timely document review regime which involves member consultation and Board review. Motion: 1. RA-Aus engages a more rigid document review process 2. RA-Aus adopts the proposed document review process as outlined in paper from the CEO. 3. The CEO do all things necessary to deliver recommendations 1 and 2 in the most favourable terms to RA-Aus and its membership. Moved: Ed Herring Seconded: Trevor Bange Carried (unanimous) Governance The following two motions were passed as part of a suite of planned changes to improve the governance of RA-Aus. ASIC for Board Members The Board overturned a previous decision allowing board members free ASIC cards to now require Board members to pay for ASIC cards. Motion: All RA-Aus members who require an ASIC card pay the full fee in accordance with the fee structure in place. Moved: Michael Apps Seconded: Ed Herring Abstained: Eugene Reid Carried, 12 in favour, none against, one abstention, Spouse Payments The Board overturned a previous decision to allow spousal reimbursementsto require any spouse/partner attending RA-Aus board meetings or functions to cover their own costs. Motion: Only sitting Board members or their proxies receive appropriate reimbursement for expenses incurred as a direct result of attending board meetings. Moved: Mark Christie Seconded: Ross Millard Carried (unanimous) Insurance The Board passed responsibility for the management and development of insurance related matters to the CEO and office staff. Motion: The CEO and Finance and Administration Manager continue their work with Willis Australia to improve the insurance for RA-Aus, including office based coverage, member’s liability and board member cover as well as exploring other insurance products that may be of interest to members. Moved: Trevor Bange Seconded: Ed Herring Carried (unanimous) Stock Control Motion: The Board note the proposal and ask the CEO to undertake further work with a view to implementation in 2015. The board voted unanimously against this motion. Lost (unanimous) Financial Delegation As part of an overall financial delegation strategy The Board increased the CEO’s non budgeted delegation to $25,000. RA-Aus will be developing a robust delegation framework as part of its governance framework review. Motion: The CEO financial delegation to be increased to $25,000 pending submission of full delegation policy. Moved: Jim Tatlock Seconded: Ed Herring Carried (unanimous) Endorsements The CEO was asked by the board to explore the possibility of new privileges for our members. These privileges include a weight increase and controlled airspace endorsement. Motion: That the CEO explore, research and pursue RA-Aus PC holders having the same privileges as RPL holders including a weight increase to 1.5T and availability of a controlled airspace endorsement. Moved: Jim Tatlock Seconded: Michael Apps Carried (Unanimous) Lifetime Member In recognition of many years of service to RA-Aus and aviation in general Paul Middleton was admitted as a life member of RA-Aus. Motion: To make Paul Middleton a lifetime member of RA-Aus Moved: Mike Smith Seconded: Eugene Reid Carried (Unanimous)
rhysmcc Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Thanks Andy, a few of the motions reference other material/reports.. Will these also be released as part of the minutes? Also 2 motions were past as part of Governance but not included? Are these considered in camera? 1
Guest Andys@coffs Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Thanks Andy, a few of the motions reference other material/reports.. Will these also be released as part of the minutes?Also 2 motions were past as part of Governance but not included? Are these considered in camera? The obligations under the constitution are to release the motions and voting records which is what this document does. This document is not minutes, its motions and no the reports will not be released. The Authors who wrote them wrote them with knowledge of exactly who their audience (iethe board) was and as such it would be unreasonable to release more widely. The governance motions are the 2 following motions after the governance para (removal of ASIC and spouse reimbursement), nothing has been withheld. Andy
rhysmcc Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 The governance motions are the 2 following motions after the governance para (removal of ASIC and spouse reimbursement), nothing has been withheld. Andy Thanks for clearing that up
Guest Andys@coffs Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Personal Opinion:- One can always ask....what follows the asking is somewhat predictable and requires the use of a table with one lot sitting one side and the others on the other side......Compromise of some sort usually follows..... The point re is that what members want, is that the members we already have, or the bunch that aren't with us yet cause what they want to fly doesn't fit in the limits we already have....... A point was made that step growth in the past has occurred in step with weight change approval..... These are just points, it doesn't necessarily follow that anything acceptable will be offered, but if you don't ask you wont get...... In any event its just investigation not a done deal by any stretch.....
DWF Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 FolksThe following Board meeting motions will be posted on the RAAus members website today at some stage. .......... a number of the motions directly address issues that have been raised here in the last week. ............ Document Review Process RA-Aus introduced a document review process to facilitate a timely document review regime which involves member consultation and Board review. Motion: 1. RA-Aus engages a more rigid document review process 2. RA-Aus adopts the proposed document review process as outlined in paper from the CEO. 3. The CEO do all things necessary to deliver recommendations 1 and 2 in the most favourable terms to RA-Aus and its membership. ................... It looks like the CEO or someone on the Board has been reading my post (on another thread) or is at least in tune with my thoughts: "The procedure (if there is one) for amending RAAus manuals is very ad hoc at present. These documents should be reviewed on a regular (programmed) basis - say every 2 years. If changes are deemed necessary (by the subject matter experts and with user input/suggestions) then it should go through a process similar to the CASA NPRM process whereby the update is set up as a project with specified dates for: the production of a draft; followed by a period for consultation with interested parties (members); preparation of the final document after considering member input and suggestions; and then publication of the final document. However these are operational documents which specify how we do business within the considerable constraints of the varoius aviation regulations. I do not think they can or should be subject to member vote once the final version is produced. The opportunity for member input is (or should be) provided via the consultation process above. Pilots and other affected parties do not get a vote on changes to the CASA regulations and manuals. (More is the pity some might say.) The point is that our manuals should be reviewed on a regular baisis by a specified process which provides opportunity for member input with definite dates when each step must be achieved." It is good to finally see some action in this direction. I hope members will be informed of the resulting process and timelines. DWF 1
coljones Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 It looks like the CEO or someone on the Board has been reading my post (on another thread) or is at least in tune with my thoughts:"The procedure (if there is one) for amending RAAus manuals is very ad hoc at present. These documents should be reviewed on a regular (programmed) basis - say every 2 years. If changes are deemed necessary (by the subject matter experts and with user input/suggestions) then it should go through a process similar to the CASA NPRM process whereby the update is set up as a project with specified dates for: the production of a draft; followed by a period for consultation with interested parties (members); preparation of the final document after considering member input and suggestions; and then publication of the final document. However these are operational documents which specify how we do business within the considerable constraints of the varoius aviation regulations. I do not think they can or should be subject to member vote once the final version is produced. The opportunity for member input is (or should be) provided via the consultation process above. Pilots and other affected parties do not get a vote on changes to the CASA regulations and manuals. (More is the pity some might say.) The point is that our manuals should be reviewed on a regular baisis by a specified process which provides opportunity for member input with definite dates when each step must be achieved." It is good to finally see some action in this direction. I hope members will be informed of the resulting process and timelines. DWF But not consulting is no excuse for ramming it through. With the Ops manual the Board has had ample opportunity to consult. The Board had ample opportunity to advise. The board had ample opportunity to give the rank and file a heads up but failed at every step. Part of the process should be that the Board go past HERE unless the members are comfortable. The Board's progress past HERE with the Ops Manual deserves a kick up the backside. the Board is not an agent for CASA but an advocate for the members. 1
DWF Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 ..................Budget The CEO presented a budget that outlined RA-Aus’ commitment to deliver a full suite of services in the next financial year. Our commitment to delivering these services means that we need to run a deficit budget with a view to moving into surplus in the next 12-18 months as a number of strategic and operational plans are implemented. Motion: Accept the budget for 2014/15 and preliminary budget for 2015/16 Carried, eight in favour, five against. .................................. Andy Will the 2014/15 budget and the 2015/2016 preliminary budget be available for member perusal? If so, when and where? With which items in the budget did the 5 against disagree? DWF 1 1
Guest Andys@coffs Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 DWF I'm sorry, as I initially said I will not go into the why and wherefores for particular board members voting as they did. If it's important to you, then you can contact them for their views. I have asked when the budget will be put on the portal, so will advise as soon as I am Andy
Guest Andys@coffs Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 But not consulting is no excuse for ramming it through. With the Ops manual the Board has had ample opportunity to consult. The Board had ample opportunity to advise. The board had ample opportunity to give the rank and file a heads up but failed at every step. Part of the process should be that the Board go past HERE unless the members are comfortable. The Board's progress past HERE with the Ops Manual deserves a kick up the backside. the Board is not an agent for CASA but an advocate for the members. Col Technically that is incorrect, the board is, as you say an advocate for members but it is an agent for CASA as well. That agency is established with the deed and its associated funding each year. There will be no ramming it through with the new CEO established procedure. Andy
robinsm Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 If the board is an agent for CASA then how about getting CASA to kick a bit more funding into the pot to enable us to carry out their wishes?? Do we have a contract with the magazine publisher that will cost us money to get out of? How does a magazine p[aid for by my yearly membership, and bundled as part of that fee all of a sudden become a subscription item and everyone assumes I, or all members have a computer and internet access to receive the electronic version of the mag.? Quite obviously the current membership is having to suffer for poor management decisions of previous administrations. Instead of pats on the back, life memberships and golden handshakes, why not get those responsible for the previous mismanagement to cough up the trough benefits they grabbed from all of us when fleeing the joint. Still, I suppose apathy is a wonderful thing. Members get what they vote for.
DGL Fox Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 I would love to go to the AGM's and other meetings to vote and have my say but only when they are accessible to me and not out the back of woop woop..why can't we have these major meetings in rotation in the capital cities? I want to be able to book a cheap Jetstar flight and come down there for the meeting and come home in one day..not 5 days of driving and accommodation costs.. David
Guest Andys@coffs Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 David, was only 2 years back that the AGM was at Hecks field between BNE and Gold coast. They get moved around so that all members get a chance to attend. There are some technology options which could be used to get a much larger whole of Australia audience, but walk before attempting to run..... Andy
FlyingVizsla Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Stock Control Motion: The Board note the proposal and ask the CEO to undertake further work with a view to implementation in 2015. The board voted unanimously against this motion. Lost (unanimous) Andy - I am intrigued by this one. Is this flying pigs or controlling cows on private strips? Seems a strange one - no mover, seconder; no one in favour? Sue
Guest Andys@coffs Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Sue Ive said all I intend on that one, the proposal was not accepted by the board as being in the best interest of the membership en mass. To directly answer your question...yes....when pigs fly! Andy
DGL Fox Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 David, was only 2 years back that the AGM was at Hecks field between BNE and Gold coast. They get moved around so that all members get a chance to attend. There are some technology options which could be used to get a much larger whole of Australia audience, but walk before attempting to run.....Andy Andy, Ok 2 years ago at Heck Field.. since then can we say where all the other majors meetings have been held? Yes I think we all know that there are technologies around that we can use, bearing in mind some members don't have a computer or internet. I think there is a post from about 2 years ago where this was talked about this and yet we are no closer, I would think to this technology? why is that... no money...to hard basket.. we all say we want more members to be involved in the running of our show yet we seem to be very slow on making it happen. The more members we loose the more our income drops hence now we are talking about subscriptions for our magazine and then taking them out of the newsagents, that is a really good way of missing out on new members dropping one of the few ways that we have of advertising what we do to increase our membership !!!!!!! I haven't even touched on the businesses that advertise in the magazine, what do they think about taking away their exposure through the newsagents, has anyone asked them? Crazy idea in my opinion. David
Guest Andys@coffs Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Constitution up until this AGM identified that the 2nd meeting of the year the GM at Easter was to be at Natfly (but changed as a result of the passing of SR1 this year). With respect to AGM's however last year was Narromine and this year Lethbridge. So QLD.NSW and VIC...I'll guess that next year probably wont be one of those 3 states....... Re technology, yes I agree with you, however I have been on the board for a day over 1 week......I don't feel anyone will cane me for not achieving that outcome yet....I have already discussed the technology with the board, but in the overall scheme of things there were bigger fish to fry in the months leading up to the last AGM. Regarding Magazine, As you'll have seen we authorized the CEO to do the work and we intend that he regularly report to us on progress. You claim that magazines in newsagents leads to new members but unless you have access to info that I don't we have nothing to prove that theory is correct. It has been claimed by other than you, and given it was withdrawn from Newsagents 2 months previously if there is an impact I guess we will see it shortly. Good managers of complex business will rely on gut feelings occasionally but mostly on good data on which to do analysis. Our CEO has an accounting background and is much more likely than others to rely on data to support an argument than gut feel alone. There are plenty on the board who can bring the Gut Feel to the discussion. The reality is that if we leave magazines exactly as they are, then we must ask the members for additional dues to cover the deficit unless there is an alternate part of the budget to find a lazy $300k. Making the magazine change will negate the majority of that and all members will be entitled to the electronic version. Anyone who wants a paper version will, like everything else we try to do be subject to user pays....what exactly is wrong with that approach? The claim that "what about the members who don't have internet and cant spell computer"....... To me is so far from reality.....Its been my experience that pilots are probably among the fastest adopters of new technology....Most I know have an ipad with them when they fly and a smartphone in their pocket.....That we are having this debate on an internet forum is telling IMHO. I agree that all else being equal I'd rather read paper than a screen, yet if given the choice of reading a screen for nothing, or reading paper for an additional $60 ( as an example not a statement of fact) or more a year I personally will suddenly find that I don't hate the screen that much..... It is absolutely appropriate that the board think long term, but it has to be said no point in thinking long term if we ignore the short term realities which dictate that you'll never get there! Andy P.S these are my personal views, the board in total's views are as reported in the motions.. Don't confuse the 2.
DGL Fox Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Andy, So when the decision was made to pull the magazine from the newsagents were the businesses that advertise in there consulted to get their views and about whether they will be getting their moneys worth in advertising and if they were consulted how many I wonder are still going to be there, don't we gather income from these businesses through their advertising fees? David
rhysmcc Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Andy - I am intrigued by this one. Is this flying pigs or controlling cows on private strips? Seems a strange one - no mover, seconder; no one in favour? Sue I've heard nothing confirmed but I wonder if it related to an earlier article about mustering endorsements I think was made by the Ops Manager. The fact it was turned down is good news if it is indeed related to that issue. hi DavidLethbridge is clos e to avalon , the home of jet star! Hardly a 5 day trek I had intended to come, for me it would have been a flight to melbourne and a drive from there, sadly the local aero club also had their AGM on the same weekend. However I support the idea to have all AGM's located at fields close to the capital cities (i.e. within 45-60mins drive) to provide easier transport options for those who can't fly in themselves. Re technology, yes I agree with you, however I have been on the board for a day over 1 week......I don't feel anyone will cane me for not achieving that outcome yet....I have already discussed the technology with the board, but in the overall scheme of things there were bigger fish to fry in the months leading up to the last AGM. Andy I'm sure most here will applaud the work you have done so far (both on the board and before then), but please remember most members have been hearing the same stuff now for the past few years, that management has bigger fish to fry and new board members or managers so things need to be put on hold. I'm in the process of drafting an email to the CEO, but maybe you have some idea on this issue. A couple of meetings ago a resolution was put forward to allow postal voting at AGM's, it was then realised the ACT which we are formed under doesn't allow it. What if any action has been taken to try and have the ACT updated to allow postal or electronic voting. Has anyone from RA-AUS been in contact with the relevant department or minister or other associations whom this may be affecting to see if we can get it changed?
DWF Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 The WA Associations Incoporation Act is in the process of being changed/updated. The proposed new model rules includes the following: 16.1 Procedure for General Meetings (a) General Meetings may take place: (i) where the Members are physically present together; or (ii) where the Members are able to communicate by using any technology that reasonably allows the Member to participate fully in discussions as they happen in the General Meeting and in making any decisions, provided that the participation of the Member in the General Meeting must be made known to all other Members. (b) A Member who participates in a meeting as set out in rule 16.1(a)(ii): (i) is deemed to be present at the General Meeting; and (ii) continues to be present at the meeting for the purposes of establishing a quorum, until the Member notifies the other Members that he or she is no longer taking part in the General Meeting. Would the ACT Act allow a similar rule to be included in the RAAus constitution? For more details see: http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/atom/3891 DWF
fly_tornado Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Why did the board think that investigating "modernization" required $25,000? You'll get the same answers for $2,500
rhysmcc Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 I'm assuming some expertise will need to be consulted. Money well spent if we get some results.
rhysmcc Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 The WA Associations Incoporation Act is in the process of being changed/updated. The proposed new model rules includes the following:16.1 Procedure for General Meetings (a) General Meetings may take place: (i) where the Members are physically present together; or (ii) where the Members are able to communicate by using any technology that reasonably allows the Member to participate fully in discussions as they happen in the General Meeting and in making any decisions, provided that the participation of the Member in the General Meeting must be made known to all other Members. (b) A Member who participates in a meeting as set out in rule 16.1(a)(ii): (i) is deemed to be present at the General Meeting; and (ii) continues to be present at the meeting for the purposes of establishing a quorum, until the Member notifies the other Members that he or she is no longer taking part in the General Meeting. Would the ACT Act allow a similar rule to be included in the RAAus constitution? For more details see: http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/atom/3891 DWF The ACT act as it stands doesn't allow it, but that's why i asked had we made any effort to have it changed/updated. It was pointed out at the time a few states do allow it, but moving isn't really on the table so lets focus on seeing if we can get the ACT Govt onboard?
fly_tornado Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 I'm assuming some expertise will need to be consulted. Money well spent if we get some results. Tendering on such a basic system wouldn't require that much money
rhysmcc Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Tendering on such a basic system wouldn't require that much money I got the impression it wasn't such a basic system at all, the amount of man hours that would be required to examine the day to day "paper" business and convert into useable design seems high thus the money? 1
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