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[Russ]

Ycab Saturday , nose wheel collapse on landing , one of those "Sting" craft.....I think it was. No injuries. Trailered it off strip...( flying school owned )

 

Query.....are they light on in that dept...??

 

 

[facthunter]

Practically ALL U/L's have "delicate" nosewheels. No aeroplane has one that can't be damaged fairly easily if you try. Nev

 

 

[paulh]

GoFly at Caboolture in low wings have Texan and Sling aircraft, the Sling is pretty new so I wouldn't think the landing count would be high yet, the green Texan has done done some work tho.

 

 

[dazza 38]

Ycab Saturday , nose wheel collapse on landing , one of those "Sting" craft.....I think it was. No injuries. Trailered it off strip...( flying school owned )Query.....are they light on in that dept...??

Sting or Sling ?

 

 

[rdarby]

South African built Sling. I got them confused at Oshkosh this year and the Sting rep was upset and rude about it.

 

The Sling guys were great!

 

I hope it is fixed soon and the student wasn't put off.

 

Ryan

 

 

[Phil Perry]

I did a slight "Wheelbarrow" landing whilst checking out on a PA28 Cherokee 140 once,. . . .I learned about nosewheel fragility from that. . . .Alan Baskett ( Lovely bloke, instructor at Casey Airfield Berwick, Vic. ) took me into the hangar to see what sort of damage could be cause by doing that,. . . I have to add that I didn't actually damage it ( that time ! ) but someone had landed one heavily on the front wheel before and bent not only the oleo leg but the firewall a bit ! ! I've always been a bit careful since then. . . a few degrees around life's learning curve I suppose. . . . I've since seen some horrendous damage done to lightweight LSA / Microlight aircraft caused by using that front wheel for ANYTHING other than taxying , takeoff or parking. . . .! !

 

 

[Yenn]

Alan Baskett. that take me back to the 60's. I did a chipmunk endorsement with him. I think he later had an engin failure and landed a twin in a building and survived it OK.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Alan Baskett. that take me back to the 60's. I did a chipmunk endorsement with him. I think he later had an engin failure and landed a twin in a building and survived it OK.

Yenn,. . . . that made my blood run cold mate,. . . I had just finished some new signs for Alan's flying school venture at Essendon, and was doing some moonlighting driving cabs for Regal Taxis in Camberwell, to pay for Instrument Rating training. I had spoken to Alan the same evening, and he actually offered me a ride in THAT VERY SAME FLIGHT, but I'd onl popped in for a quick break and a coffee, and had some blood product stuff in small packets to deliver to the city in the cab so I had to turn it down. Whe I found out what had happened, I thought Christ, how lucky can you be. . . . . The Partenavia P68 had a runaway electric trim problem, and on a night Go-round practice, it ran fully nose down, and Alan was unable to recover the situation in time . . . as you are probably aware, the aircraft crashed ito the row of houses at the end of the runway ( which number escapes my dull memory ) but it's the one that ends up over the Freeway and tram tracks. The aircraft hit the roof of a house and dropped a full wing tank of fuel onto the roof, this ignited a heater and incinerated a family of 5 people, whilst Dad had gone out to the shops. . . . ALan was found still strapped in to what was left of the fuselage with a hoop of fire all around him ( part of the aircraft) this was his description of it to me some time later. . . .

 

Dreadful accident.

 

That was the SECOND time I'd cheated the grim reaper,. . . . I was offered a passenger trip in a DH Dragon Rapide called "Puff the magic dragon" at Pt Cook and reluctantly refused it as I'd got to be somewhere else, and that bugger crashed just after takeoff as well, killing everyone on board.

 

I thought that I was being saved for some greater purpose, but I don't think so now,. . . . .I'm a burnt out bush pilot, with a small pension, and just sit here on my computer moaning about what a horrible place the world is and bitching to learner pilots on Recreational Flying. . . . ! ! ! !

 

Phil

 

 

[facthunter]

They were doing assy after last light I think Phil. I'm not a great fan of that aircraft type. It's the west facing runway. A mate of mine (Ground engineer ) lived very close to that house. A DH Dove crashed in the area sometime later but no fire. It's not a very big aerodrome. Worked out of there from mid 65 till Tullamarine opened early 70's. Nev

 

 

[motzartmerv]

Wouldnt be a sting. They are currently restricted to ops at 450 Kg's.

 

 

[Guest ozzie]

Know how you feel Phil. I've had two similar experiences.

 

 

[DonRamsay]

The Sting has a very strong nose wheel setup - probably the strongest of any LSA on the market. Coil spring and needle roller bearings.

 

YCAB can be a bit rougher than many strips. I was told that the the nose wheel should not be considered part of the landing gear - just for steering on the ground while taxiing.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

They were doing assy after last light I think Phil. I'm not a great fan of that aircraft type. It's the west facing runway. A mate of mine (Ground engineer ) lived very close to that house. A DH Dove crashed in the area sometime later but no fire. It's not a very big aerodrome. Worked out of there from mid 65 till Tullamarine opened early 70's. Nev

Thanks for the memory jog Nev, . . . . . yes I remember they were going to practice some assymetrics, but I do recall some discussion in the report regarding pitch trim running full nose down, but it's been a long time . . . Phil

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Know how you feel Phil. I've had two similar experiences.

I've just had a thought Ozzie,. . . . I would imagine that most pilots who have been around for a bit have had the odd fright, or other incident, maybe as a result of bad planning, inattenion, or flying generally when the brain wasn't completely on the job ? ( I'd be most surprised if no one has ! ! )

 

Since joining this redoubtable forum, I don't recall having seen any threads dedicated to that subject . . . . I recently purchased a really good secondhand book from the local charity store ( I have to shop in those on My wages ! ! !) It's called " I learned about Flying from that. . ." this is a slection of stories, with some illustrations, mainly going back a few years, probably to preclude the confession leading to a conviction ! ! Anyone got an idea for such a thread, ?? never know it might just be useful for the eddificashun of some of the newer pilots, you know, the kind with no grey hair yet ? Perhaps we could call it something like, "I learnedA BIT MORE about flying from that . . ." ? ?

 

Phil

 

 

[planet47]

I think there was something a while ago along the lines of ".....you know you're a weekend pilot when...." Phil Perry and I think there may have been concern about the results of confessing some sins and it didn't last long

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Yes, I remember that now, . . . well,. . . . perhaps the stories could be filtered ( by the contributor of couse ) to exclude anything which might attract unwanted attention ? !

 

Could always start the tale with something like. . ."Lemme tell yer a story about this flyer bloke, let's call him Fred. . . . . . I wouldn't have a clue if it's got any truth in it of course. . . .!"

 

 

[Guest ozzie]

I've just had a thought Ozzie,. . . . I would imagine that most pilots who have been around for a bit have had the odd fright, or other incident, maybe as a result of bad planning, inattenion, or flying generally when the brain wasn't completely on the job ? ( I'd be most surprised if no one has ! ! )Since joining this redoubtable forum, I don't recall having seen any threads dedicated to that subject . . . . I recently purchased a really good secondhand book from the local charity store ( I have to shop in those on My wages ! ! !) It's called " I learned about Flying from that. . ." this is a slection of stories, with some illustrations, mainly going back a few years, probably to preclude the confession leading to a conviction ! ! Anyone got an idea for such a thread, ?? never know it might just be useful for the eddificashun of some of the newer pilots, you know, the kind with no grey hair yet ? Perhaps we could call it something like, "I learnedA BIT MORE about flying from that . . ." ? ?

 

Phil

Phil i have a copy of that book, i bought it at Airventure in '08, read most of it on the aircraft coming home and realized that i had read all the stories over the years in Flying magazine. They had a column by the same name. All good lessens no matter what you fly.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

I think there was something a while ago along the lines of ".....you know you're a weekend pilot when...." Phil Perry and I think there may have been concern about the results of confessing some sins and it didn't last long

Yes,. . that was actually more of a "Jokey" thread, rather than something which might contain a useful message for others who might inadvertantly travel the same path . . . . . .

 

 

[Marty_d]

I thought that I was being saved for some greater purpose, but I don't think so now,. . . . .I'm a burnt out bush pilot, with a small pension, and just sit here on my computer moaning about what a horrible place the world is and bitching to learner pilots on Recreational Flying. . . . ! ! ! !Phil

Don't sell yourself short Phil. Your purpose is obviously to entertain, enlighten and inform the rest of us, and you do it well.

 

 

[fly_tornado]

and to remind us there will always be an England

 

 

[Guest john]

Phil, if things are so bad for you in the mother country as you have suggested in your previous thread, why don't you consider pulling the pin & relocating to the lucky country you use to live in before moving to the cold & bleak northern hemisphere . If you finally decide in your golden years to come back to AUS where it is perfect one day & better the next, then it is likely you will be saying to yourself once your'e here: WHY DIDN'T I DO THIS EARLIER

 

 

[Marty_d]

Just from an aviation point of view I'd rather be in England. There seems to be a small airfield around every corner, often with interesting aircraft.

 

 

[facthunter]

Cold and bleak NORTHERN HEMISPHERE? Some of it is OK. Italy as an example. Nev

 

 

[flyerme]

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I've just had a thought Ozzie,. . . . I would imagine that most pilots who have been around for a bit have had the odd fright, or other incident, maybe as a result of bad planning, inattenion, or flying generally when the brain wasn't completely on the job ? ( I'd be most surprised if no one has ! ! )Since joining this redoubtable forum, I don't recall having seen any threads dedicated to that subject . . . . I recently purchased a really good secondhand book from the local charity store ( I have to shop in those on My wages ! ! !) It's called " I learned about Flying from that. . ." this is a slection of stories, with some illustrations, mainly going back a few years, probably to preclude the confession leading to a conviction ! ! Anyone got an idea for such a thread, ?? never know it might just be useful for the eddificashun of some of the newer pilots, you know, the kind with no grey hair yet ? Perhaps we could call it something like, "I learnedA BIT MORE about flying from that . . ." ? ?

 

Phil

thread " the diary of jack flyer" ( it's getting very close folks)

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Don't sell yourself short Phil. Your purpose is obviously to entertain, enlighten and inform the rest of us, and you do it well.

Whoah ! ! ! Thanks Marty, you're very kind, . . . . but considering the quality and obvious experience of the collective company who frequent this forum, . . . . .I think you overestimate me Sir . . ! !