GAFA Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 I've got lots of time in both the C152 and PA38 and I found the PA38 to be the better aircraft all round. As I said you can use both for NAV's, but the extra width of the PA38 makes it a bit more pleasant on the 2-3 hour NAVs.
Camel Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Camel, what school is that? I don't care where it is and, hey, I'd be up for a long drive after the university semester finishes!I'd FLY, but even RA-Aus aircraft would be too costly to hire over a long period of time. Well, in one hit, anyway. http://centralwestflying.com/training/ 1
facthunter Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 You don't need a 4 seater. A C-172 is a bit of a slug and rather easy to fly. They are built that way.. You would be a better pilot flying a Jab 230 under RAAus. If you are fair dinkum about an aviation future you have to go tailwheel and unusual attitude training, at some stage. I would suggest as soon as you are competent at the basics. Don't rack up heaps of hours on the T/w Unless you are going to train others on it . Revisit later if that is going to happen. You need to know the rudder isn't just there to steer it on the ground or rest your feet on.. Nev PS at some airports you will do a lot of taxy time and holding waiting for others. Try to stay with the one show as long as possible. 1
alexbrown2005 Posted January 29, 2015 Author Posted January 29, 2015 Well, seeing as I want to do this for a career (and I'm deadly serious about it, it's what I've wanted to do since I was a kid), I would want to be a better pilot! As for the tailwheel advice, I might just heed that.
Camel Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Learning in CTA can shorten your flight time and there will be added costs as GAFA stated. 1
GAFA Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Not really, there is nothing to fear when flying in CTA (it's easier than OCTA). The controllers give you an instruction, you follow it. If you don't understand it ask for clarification. If they give you an instruction that you can't comply with, tell them and they will provide you with another instruction. Where most pilots (including professional pilots) get themselves into trouble in CTA (in particular during approach) is they won't say 'No' or 'Unable' to ATC and end up getting themselves into trouble.
alexbrown2005 Posted January 29, 2015 Author Posted January 29, 2015 Where most pilots (including professional pilots) get themselves into trouble in CTA (in particular during approach) is they won't say 'No' or 'Unable' to ATC and end up getting themselves into trouble. Avianca Flight 52 is a good example of when things go wrong and pilots simply can't say, "I NEED to do this NOW" to ATC. Seriously though I understand what you're saying, GAFA.
Geoff13 Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 I'm paying right now for a C162 ($299/hour). snippedI am still trying to get my head around this comment. WOW. 1
djpacro Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 CAR 5.84 no longer exists. The world has changed with the new Part 61. 1
Happyflyer Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 snippedI am still trying to get my head around this comment. WOW. Seems an awful lot for an aircraft type that wasn't attracting buyers for under $80k on another forum a week or two ago.
coljones Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Sydney Flying School YSBK - Class D C152 $355 PA28 $365 dual including all fees and GST. http://www.sfcaero.com.au 1
alexbrown2005 Posted January 29, 2015 Author Posted January 29, 2015 Seems an awful lot for an aircraft type that wasn't attracting buyers for under $80k on another forum a week or two ago. That's a shame, because it's a great thing to fly (if a bit costly).
GAFA Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Sydney Flying School YSBK - Class D C152 $355 PA28 $365 dual including all fees and GST. http://www.sfcaero.com.au Back in the 90's when I was instructing at Bankstown the dual rate in the C152/PA38 was $120 and for the C172 / PA28 $148. Is amazing how the cost of flying in Australia has more than doubled during the last 15 years, yet in the USA the cost has only slightly increased with most training organisations charging between $130-$180 dual for the C152/C162 and PA38s.
dazza 38 Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 It does make you wonder whether it is viable for students just starting out to take 4 weeks off and go the the states and learn to fly. They probably wont complete their licence in that time but it is all experience. With the aussue dollar down to 80 cents US, it probably isnt worth it now.
Kununurra Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 Back in the 90's when I was instructing at Bankstown the dual rate in the C152/PA38 was $120 and for the C172 / PA28 $148.Is amazing how the cost of flying in Australia has more than doubled during the last 15 years, yet in the USA the cost has only slightly increased with most training organisations charging between $130-$180 dual for the C152/C162 and PA38s. Not the only thing that has changed in price since the 1990s I think we are in front at the moment Item 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 Postage Stamp 0.25 0.29 0.29 0.29 0.29 0.32 0.32 0.32 0.32 0.32 Bread 1.29 1.47 1.50 1.57 1.59 1.40 1.62 Milk 2.15 2.18 2.14 2.27 2.29 2.59 2.41 Gas 1.08 1.18 1.20 1.16 1.09 1.35 1.11 Car $9,437.00 $9,989.00 $11,580.00 $12,750.00 $12,371.00 $12,800.00 $13,600.00 Income $14,777.00 $16,658.00 $17,565.00 $18,472.00 $18,738.00 $19,717.00 $20,788.00 $21,811.00 House $128,732.00 $125,481.00 $124,900.00 $124,573.00 $106,100.00
facthunter Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 The way I have equated the cost of flying is to relate it to a house or car or a weeks wages I got LESS than two hours flying for a weeks wages in the early 60's. Nev
ben87r Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 If you're paying $300 to fly RA then it would be cheaper to fly GA on most basic types at schools that don't offer VET-FEE. I was looking around for an aircraft for a renewal and found a C182G1000 for not much more than $300.
facthunter Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 The reason I flew Austers was the price. Hardly anyone flew them back then. Coming from a Chippie and Tiger wasn't a great change and it's still an hour logged if you are chasing them. Good experience too. All of the ones I flew are still flying at last count. You can make them last for ever. Nev
GAFA Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Not the only thing that has changed in price since the 1990sI think we are in front at the moment Item 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 Postage Stamp 0.25 0.29 0.29 0.29 0.29 0.32 0.32 0.32 0.32 0.32 Bread 1.29 1.47 1.50 1.57 1.59 1.40 1.62 Milk 2.15 2.18 2.14 2.27 2.29 2.59 2.41 Gas 1.08 1.18 1.20 1.16 1.09 1.35 1.11 Car $9,437.00 $9,989.00 $11,580.00 $12,750.00 $12,371.00 $12,800.00 $13,600.00 Income $14,777.00 $16,658.00 $17,565.00 $18,472.00 $18,738.00 $19,717.00 $20,788.00 $21,811.00 House $128,732.00 $125,481.00 $124,900.00 $124,573.00 $106,100.00 Agree, and the same applies in the USA, yet the cost of flying over there has not increased like it has in Australia. When I did my training (late 80's early 90's) and GA flying during the 90's the cost per hour between flying in Australia and the USA was on average $20-40, now the difference is more than double. 1
Riley Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Not the only thing that has changed in price since the 1990sI think we are in front at the moment Item 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 Postage Stamp 0.25 0.29 0.29 0.29 0.29 0.32 0.32 0.32 0.32 0.32 Bread 1.29 1.47 1.50 1.57 1.59 1.40 1.62 Milk 2.15 2.18 2.14 2.27 2.29 2.59 2.41 Gas 1.08 1.18 1.20 1.16 1.09 1.35 1.11 Car $9,437.00 $9,989.00 $11,580.00 $12,750.00 $12,371.00 $12,800.00 $13,600.00 Income $14,777.00 $16,658.00 $17,565.00 $18,472.00 $18,738.00 $19,717.00 $20,788.00 $21,811.00 House $128,732.00 $125,481.00 $124,900.00 $124,573.00 $106,100.00 Kununurra, I'd be very interested to know who's data and where those yearly comparative price figures were harvested from. I don't recall any of them even though the most recent were only 15 years ago. cheers Riley
Kununurra Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Kununurra, I'd be very interested to know who's data and where those yearly comparative price figures were harvested from. I don't recall any of them even though the most recent were only 15 years ago. cheers Riley ABS
Riley Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 ABS Thanks much - I'll google it up. Should make what seems unbelievable very interesting.
coljones Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 The way I have equated the cost of flying is to relate it to a house or car or a weeks wages I got LESS than two hours flying for a weeks wages in the early 60's. Nev Rich kid!
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