Bruce Tuncks Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 I'm thinking of flying up north and refuelling at Port Augusta. If you are there in working hours, can you buy fuel there with somebody supervising? I once got fuel at Horsham, served by somebody from the local maintenance place. I don't have an Asic card myself and I dont want to get one.... maybe I could borrow one for the trip?
AVOCET Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 You could refuel at port Pirie , no ASIC and CHEAPER fuel , avgas , credid card bowser . 20 min . from Y PAG . Get caught at y pag without asic could be expensive , security bloke , well ..... Say no more ! Get caught with someone else's card , .... You might be a terooist !!!! Lol Mike 2
Geoff13 Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Getting caught with someone elses card is a very serious offence for both people.
Bruce Tuncks Posted February 27, 2015 Author Posted February 27, 2015 The borrowed card bit was a joke, but I still refuse on principal to pay for an ASIC card. Anyway, you can tell from looking at me that I'm not a terrorist.... but if they are poor at judging by appearance, they can ring up Avocet ( local call ) who will maybe confirm that I haven't done much terrorism that he has noticed. Getting back to the point, I would like to confirm that I would need to find an authorised person to do the refuelling, and this would only be if there was an officious security person around. But surely this security person could watch me while I refuelled the Jabiru and then the safety of the country would be assured. And yes Port Pirie is a nice place and I have refueled there a few times.
SDQDI Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 There was another thread regarding asics and I can't remember exactly what was said but I thought it was something along the lines of calling the airfield operator and they were obliged to have someone there to escort you. Don't quote me on it but it was something like that 1
Russ Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Last yr, passing through thangool, ( think it was thangool ) local henchman, wanted to take my card to office to do ???......I said it ain't coming off my person, he huffed and puffed, all the while I climbed aboard, yelled clear prop, and moved off . Heard nothing from the powers that be. I was pressured by lack of daylight to our next destination if he delayed me for ?? . Only time I've had " attitude" from an enforcer. As to the escort thing.....I don't think they're obliged to meet you etc. (maybe I'm wrong)
facthunter Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 The CASA in all it's wisdom allowed the local entity a lot of leeway as to how the SECURE AREA operated. That's why you get so much variation. Tin Hitlers sprung up everywhere who just love to shove it up Pilots (Especially those.in Uniform) Nev
Kununurra Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 I'm thinking of flying up north and refuelling at Port Augusta. If you are there in working hours, can you buy fuel there with somebody supervising? I once got fuel at Horsham, served by somebody from the local maintenance place. I don't have an Asic card myself and I dont want to get one.... maybe I could borrow one for the trip? As this is a trip that requires some planning why not contact the airport at YPAG and advise them of your dilemma, let's hope that someone will then be of assistance to you and meet you to allow you to refuel use the facilities and be on your way. Typed words are often hard to decipher so be careful making comments like "maybe I could borrow one for the trip" that could draw attention that was not intended. Hope you have a safe any uneventful trip. Cheers 1
Gnarly Gnu Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 There was another thread regarding asics... Here you go Bruce - post #2. Everyone without an ASIC (& no desire to buy one) should read this. 1 1
SDQDI Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Thanks Gnu P.s woooooohooooo my memory isn't totally cactus:roflmao:
Bruce Tuncks Posted February 28, 2015 Author Posted February 28, 2015 Thanks also from me Gnu, I had missed that thread.
Downunder Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 As this is a trip that requires some planning why not contact the airport at YPAG and advise them of your dilemma, let's hope that someone will then be of assistance to you and meet you to allow you to refuel use the facilities and be on your way.Typed words are often hard to decipher so be careful making comments like "maybe I could borrow one for the trip" that could draw attention that was not intended. Hope you have a safe any uneventful trip. Cheers Sometimes it's better to go in "blind", plead ignorance and ask for forgiveness if bailed up about the ASIC. Say something about an extra strong headwind etc...... If you contact them and get a "no", then after being given a definative answer it's hard to go in anyway. 1
SDQDI Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 Sometimes it's better to go in "blind", plead ignorance and ask for forgiveness if bailed up about the ASIC.Say something about an extra strong headwind etc...... If you contact them and get a "no", then after being given a definative answer it's hard to go in anyway. That is a very optimistic outlook Downunder. After reading that other thread, it seems that the airport operators are obliged to provide an escort, why would you go in blind and risk a healthy fine?? 1
Kununurra Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 Sometimes it's better to go in "blind", plead ignorance and ask for forgiveness if bailed up about the ASIC.Say something about an extra strong headwind etc...... If you contact them and get a "no", then after being given a definative answer it's hard to go in anyway. HANDLING SERVICES AND FACILITIESAVFUELSA: Carnet card and credit card swipe bowsers; AVGAS and JET A1. Others; callout fee applies. Phone 0429 695 728, 0429 696 502, 0448 874 251. Why would you even contemplate doing that when you have all the information at your finger tips,seems some people just like looking for trouble as aviators I thought that there should be some intelligence displayed not stick your head in the sand and say i didn't know. I sincerely hope that this type of action is the only risk you take when you fly.
kaz3g Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 I don't understand why you want to go to Port Augusta but don't want to follow the rules. I don't like paying for my ASIC either, but I have no choice if I want to exercise the privileges of my licence. You have options: Attempt to negotiate an escort at Port Augusta (good luck with that because they will probably call the fuel truck and charge you a call-out fee) Go to Port Pirie and buy cheaper fuel without the hassle Get an ASIC Fly in and perjure yourself with an excuse if you get caught (and cop a fine that would pay for several ASIC renewals) Kaz 1 1
Bruce Tuncks Posted March 1, 2015 Author Posted March 1, 2015 Thanks for all the comments and advice. As suggested, I'm going to write to the operator of YPAG and politely ask what the deal will be if I turn up on the planned day and time. If I get an unhelpful reply ( or no reply ) then there will be time to plan something else.
JG3 Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 This raises an issue that I've been wondering about.... Who has the authority to insist upon checking your ASIC card?? I suppose the airport manager for one, and maybe a security guard assigned to the airfield, but who else?? The only time that I was thoroughly checked was at Moruya, NSW. I had the card hanging from a lanyard around my neck, and the manager approached me an showed his ID and requested to have a closer look. I held it out so he could get a good look but didn't let it go. He checked that the photo matched and carefully checked the expiry date, no problems. But if the fuel man or someone else wants to be the policeman, seems to me he should have to first show an ID issued by the airfield management.... But whatever you do don't hand over your ASIC or your pilot's certificate. Let them have a look but don't let go.... (Moruya is an interesting airfield as regards to security. It's surrounded by both a double electric fence and an infra-red light beam, I've never seen that security anywhere else..... I wonder what it is that needs such protection?? I was camped there and did note that after dark there were a lot of light twins coming and going..... Probably just couriers, but a conspiracy freak could make a story out of it.....) JG
JG3 Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 [quote= (Moruya is an interesting airfield as regards to security. JG Correction. That should have been Merimbula.... JG
Happyflyer Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Merimbula is where the CASA ASIC team is. They obviously need top security. Imagine what damage the terrorists could do around the world with Aussie ASICs! 1
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