March 2015 A.A.I.B. accident reports

[Phil Perry]

Please forgive me if I've already posted this Crash Comic episode,. . . Bad one about 2 fatalities in a Yak. . . . I've had a stressful week, ( yeah, even for me, ) Mother in Law died on April Fools day, aged 91, . . .and I've been on suicide watch to make sure the Missus doesn't drink too much Bailey's Irish Cream. . . . . now we've got to wait for the totally overworked Coroner to issue a DC, as, since a bloke called Dr. Harold Shipman murdered a couple of hundred plus elderly patients with varying levels of dementia,. . .the local Doc can no longer issue a DC. . . . .so this is going to go on for another three or four weeks probably. . . . before we can bury the old girl. . .who was possibly the most UNarchetypal Mother In Law on the planet,. . .in that she ALWAYS took MY side of an argument with the Missis,. . . . and had a wicked sense of humour to boot. . . .I must be one of the few blokes in this world who will genuinely and severely miss Mother in Law and her ascerbic wit. . . . . ( wonder why the Wife hasn't got one,. . . . nuther story perhaps. . .)

 

Anyway, I hope that the link works,. . .otherwise just google the bloody thing for heavens sake,. . .are you all disabled . . .?

 

March Bulletin 3/2015

 

 

[Geoff13]

Phil we have something in common. I also had a great MIL before we lost her. She also thought that I walked on water. Which I guess is really weird as neither of us had a religious bone in our bodies.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Phil we have something in common. I also had a great MIL before we lost her. She also thought that I walked on water. Which I guess is really weird as neither of us had a religious bone in our bodies.

Geoff,. . . our "Hazel" was very Unusual, in that she used to write down and keep any " Mother in Law " humour she heard on radio and TV and pass them on to me for use between caterwailing when I was performing with a pub band. . . she was fiercely independent and really resisted leaving her own place until a medical blunder messed up her knee replacements so she could no longer stand. The dementia came on really quickly when she was in the care home, very sad. Didn't know who we were after a year in that place, that was 2 yrs ago.

 

Anyway folks, apologies fro the thread drift ( again ! )

 

( does that PDF link work from your end ? sometimes they work from here, but not there. . . ah, . . . the vagaries of teknologgy )

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Brief comment on UK A.A.I.B. reports, for those of you who may not be aware, the bureau is a completely separate entity to our CAA, but IS wholly funded by the Goverment.

 

I am still impressed at the intensely detailed quality of these investigations, mainly where fatality is involved, and the depth of the engineering investigations therein, irrespective of what type of flying machine or regime under which it falls.

 

I think some of you have already metnioned that this type of reporting is not normally available to pilots generally, which is a shame. . . I wonder what happened to the Aviation Safety Digest, which I used to read in Australia, those incidents appeared to be very well reported, with detailed photographs / area depiction too, . . .do they not publish these any longer, or are they restricted to purely G.A. accidents ?

 

Just wondering. Anyhow, I'll keep posting the links ( unless you ask me not to bother ! ! )

 

Phil

 

 

[gandalph]

Bother Phil, please bother.

 

 

[cooperplace]

Please forgive me if I've already posted this Crash Comic episode,. . . Bad one about 2 fatalities in a Yak. . . . I've had a stressful week, ( yeah, even for me, ) Mother in Law died on April Fools day, aged 91, . . .and I've been on suicide watch to make sure the Missus doesn't drink too much Bailey's Irish Cream. . . . . now we've got to wait for the totally overworked Coroner to issue a DC, as, since a bloke called Dr. Harold Shipman murdered a couple of hundred plus elderly patients with varying levels of dementia,. . .the local Doc can no longer issue a DC. . . . .so this is going to go on for another three or four weeks probably. . . . before we can bury the old girl. . .who was possibly the most UNarchetypal Mother In Law on the planet,. . .in that she ALWAYS took MY side of an argument with the Missis,. . . . and had a wicked sense of humour to boot. . . .I must be one of the few blokes in this world who will genuinely and severely miss Mother in Law and her ascerbic wit. . . . . ( wonder why the Wife hasn't got one,. . . . nuther story perhaps. . .)Anyway, I hope that the link works,. . .otherwise just google the bloody thing for heavens sake,. . .are you all disabled . . .?

 

March Bulletin 3/2015

Hi Phil,

Thanks for posting that, and sorry to hear of your loss. In these circumstances I find there are three things that can help: 1. a good South Australian cabernet or shiraz. 2. single malt scotch. 3. a good English ale; must be consumed in pints. Lagers, white wines, brandy, etc are all useless.

 

 

[farri]

G`Day Phil, I also had an excellent mother in-law, sadly though, everyone reaches the end of the road, the road is just longer for some than others.

 

From the report: Commander’s Flying Experience: in excess of 15,000 hours (of which approximately 40 hours were on type) Last 90 days - 1 hour Last 28 days - 1 hour.

 

 

The flying experience is given is in excess of 15,000 hrs, but the way I see it, those hrs are not all at the controls so the hrs at the controls would be far less, not saying that would contribute to the accident, just an observation.

 

 

 

The fact that the the passenger was offered a flight on the spur of the moment,reminded me of an accident that occurred in Cairns Queensland, a few years ago. A GA instructor from Innisfail, QLD, had been up to Cape York to fly back a load of Crayfish, if I remember correctly, the aircraft was Cessna. The flight was part of their usual business.

 

 

 

A guy who had been working up there wanted to get back to Cairns and on the spur of the moment, took the opportunity of the spare seat. They got back to Cairns just before last light but for some unknown reason the pilot decided not to land on his first approach,choosing to go around again, this put him over the ocean heading north on the downwind leg of the circuit, eye witness reports were that the aircraft just seemed to roll over and crash into the ocean. Pilot and passenger deceased.

 

 

To my knowledge, no reason for the accident has ever been given and I don`t recall the aircraft being salvaged, I may be wrong on that,though.

 

 

 

Frank.

 

 

 

 

 

[pmccarthy]

Phil the Aussie crash comic still exists on the CASA website and is called Flight Safety Australia. However I don't think it is a patch on the old Aviation Safety Digest.

 

 

[Phil Perry]

G`Day Phil, I also had an excellent mother in-law, sadly though, everyone reaches the end of the road, the road is just longer for some than others.From the report: Commander’s Flying Experience: in excess of 15,000 hours (of which approximately 40 hours were on type) Last 90 days - 1 hour Last 28 days - 1 hour.

 

 

The flying experience is given is in excess of 15,000 hrs, but the way I see it, those hrs are not all at the controls so the hrs at the controls would be far less, not saying that would contribute to the accident, just an observation.

 

 

 

The fact that the the passenger was offered a flight on the spur of the moment,reminded me of an accident that occurred in Cairns Queensland, a few years ago. A GA instructor from Innisfail, QLD, had been up to Cape York to fly back a load of Crayfish, if I remember correctly, the aircraft was Cessna. The flight was part of their usual business.

 

 

 

A guy who had been working up there wanted to get back to Cairns and on the spur of the moment, took the opportunity of the spare seat. They got back to Cairns just before last light but for some unknown reason the pilot decided not to land on his first approach,choosing to go around again, this put him over the ocean heading north on the downwind leg of the circuit, eye witness reports were that the aircraft just seemed to roll over and crash into the ocean. Pilot and passenger deceased.

 

 

To my knowledge, no reason for the accident has ever been given and I don`t recall the aircraft being salvaged, I may be wrong on that,though.

 

 

 

Frank.

 

Thanks Frank, and to all who have sent condolences. . . appreciated. On "Logged" flying hours, this has been a discussion subject for a long time wit regard to professional and Ex-Pro pilots where accidents are investigated, as well as the "recent experience" hours quoted. As you say, with RPT pilots, quite a lot of time is spent quietly monitoring systems, which is what is actually required in commercial / airline ops anyway, this being the nature of the job. It would probably be impossible to extrapolate how much "Hands on" time is embedded in hours logged.

 

Where a pilot has multi - thousands of logged hours though, this must surely say something about the attitude and general outlook of such a person, particularly with regard to carriage of that ingrained professionalism across into their recreational flight activities ? The reports always include, as mentioned above, the amount of recent experience the commander had logged, in total and on the investigated type. ( I assume you are referring to the Yak 52 report )

 

Even though that airframe was inspected in minute detail, by external specialist engineers in most cases, the only suggestion of a possible fault appeared to be with the propeller pitch control circuit, but unless the pilot was looking for a precautionary landing, it doesn't suggest a reason why the aircraft was flying as low as it was prior to APPARENT loss of control from a non - recoverable height. With no other info, it is probably impossible for AAIB to suggest a cause which was not pure speculation . . ie, was the pilot fatally distracted with a mechanical problem that he forgot to fly the aeroplane ? we'll probably never know. Darned sad anyway, especially for the "Spur of the moment" pax.

 

I seem to recall something about the accident you mentioned Frank, I wonder why the a/c was not recovered ? ? I remember one recently where an airframe was pulled out of the sea not long ago. . . .

 

We have just had another fatal, in the Scottish Highlands last evening ( Saturday 4th April ) where a light aircraft has gone down, other than 2 fatalities, no other info yet, difficult accident site / bad weather. Nothing sensible on the news feeds as yet.

 

Phil

 

 

[farri]

I seem to recall something about the accident you mentioned Frank, I wonder why the a/c was not recovered ? ? I remember one recently where an airframe was pulled out of the sea not long ago. . . .Phil

Phil, A bit off topic I know, but I`ve asked an old mate of mine who is a GA CFI, worked with the pilot and knew him and the aircraft very well, if the aircraft was ever retrieved.

 

I`ve copied his reply.......G'day Frank, No, Arty's aircraft was sighted from the air & the plan was to retrieve it. When they finally sent the navy divers down, the plane couldn't be found.

 

And there rests the reason for the accident.

 

Frank.