BEA release investigation findings of Germanwings crash

[facthunter]

Pilot error is a convenient excuse of a term that has been complained of by many who have sought better answers over the years Usually the pilot is dead, making it difficult to get his/her version of events. Pilot's don't deliberately set out to make errors, and often when poor performance is determined to be a factor BETTER training is applied or procedures are changed. So was it pilot error?

 

The man /machine interface is not perfect. What is the bloody thing doing now? moment. The three hand altimeter, and using QNH .QFE can be deadly. A QNH error of 10 Mb is 300 feet

 

You don't really know what happened unless you were there is often true. The more data you have the more likely you are to arrive at a correct answer. CVR.( Cockpit voice) records more than voices. It provides engine ( Power settings) and radio calls PA ,air noises and other possibilities, for analysis. The object of all this cost and activity is prevention of a recurrence. Nev

 

 

[poteroo]

I think I could see a day in my life time that freight ops zero pilot (Knowing CASA they will make a new IFR renewal category for this too!) could be a thing. I don't like the idea of sharing the same airspace tho.. Or having them fly over my house.

UAVs/Drones is the great new 'frontier' in transport/aviation. My grandchildren should be clamouring to get into the industry. Anyone under 30 with an interest in electronics/aviation should be looking to get into them on the 'ground floor'. The general public will get used to them.... it didn't take long for everyone,(in the early 1900's), to see that automobiles didn't need a little man waving a red flag ahead of them. happy days,

 

 

[winsor68]

Pilot error is a convenient excuse of a term that has been complained of by many who have sought better answers over the years Usually the pilot is dead, making it difficult to get his/her version of events. Pilot's don't deliberately set out to make errors, and often when poor performance is determined to be a factor BETTER training is applied or procedures are changed. So was it pilot error?The man /machine interface is not perfect. What is the bloody thing doing now? moment. The three hand altimeter, and using QNH .QFE can be deadly. A QNH error of 10 Mb is 300 feet

You don't really know what happened unless you were there is often true. The more data you have the more likely you are to arrive at a correct answer. CVR.( Cockpit voice) records more than voices. It provides engine ( Power settings) and radio calls PA ,air noises and other possibilities, for analysis. The object of all this cost and activity is prevention of a recurrence. Nev

Hang about... i'm confused which side you are arguing for....

 

 

[facthunter]

I have only commented about so called "pilot error" . Having many times been involved with investigations of incidents, I tend to reject the term as it generally applies. That is not to suggest pilot's don't make mistakes, EVER but it's often over simplified.. Nev

 

 

[ayavner]

 

damn that's neat!

 

 

[facthunter]

I don't share your optimism Winsor. I also don't feel your"creative" is fair comment, either. I've been in at least half a dozen situations where the rapidity of assessment and action required could not be achieved remotely. In the QF Airbus 380, they lost normal radio contact and electrical systems were very damaged. The chances of a successful outcome with that Aircraft was of a low order.. My opinion even if not correct is based on actual happenings that I have been in, personally and at one time it was my business to know other world situations of relevance to flying safety and crew performance. I know things move on but I suggest most airline pilots with a bit of experience would be skeptical of how safe remote control would be.

 

Differentiating with Cargo and Pax is interesting . I don't buy it really as there are a lot of built up areas , with dense populations around airports and a lot of capital and company reputation involved. and valuable cargo may have as high an insurance pay out as pax depending on country. Saving on crew training can be false economy. Even things like brake and tyre wear, fuel consumption pax injury in flight etc can dwarf crew wages differentials as well as diversions and accidents.

 

The common view they just sit there bored and everything is automatic isn't correct. You have MELs / allowable deficiencies that complicate operations. and things do go wrong during flight at times too with the aircraft and the weather..Nev

 

 

[winsor68]

I don't share your optimism Winsor. I also don't feel your"creative" is fair comment, either. I've been in at least half a dozen situations where the rapidity of assessment and action required could not be achieved remotely. In the QF Airbus 380, they lost normal radio contact and electrical systems were very damaged. The chances of a successful outcome with that Aircraft was of a low order.. My opinion even if not correct is based on actual happenings that I have been in, personally and at one time it was my business to know other world situations of relevance to flying safety and crew performance. I know things move on but I suggest most airline pilots with a bit of experience would be skeptical of how safe remote control would be.Differentiating with Cargo and Pax is interesting . I don't buy it really as there are a lot of built up areas , with dense populations around airports and a lot of capital and company reputation involved. and valuable cargo may have as high an insurance pay out as pax depending on country. Saving on crew training can be false economy. Even things like brake and tyre wear, fuel consumption pax injury in flight etc can dwarf crew wages differentials as well as diversions and accidents.

The common view they just sit there bored and everything is automatic isn't correct. You have MELs / allowable deficiencies that complicate operations. and things do go wrong during flight at times too with the aircraft and the weather..Nev

I'm not claiming that pilots are bored and sit there doing nothing... or anything of the sort.

Sorry fact hunter if the "creative" disturbs you but I do disagree with your thinking in regard to this issue. That is all. This doesn't discount your experience in the past. I just see a different future.