WayneL Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Is the Icom IC-A15 the Only hand held radio currently approved for sale and use in Australia at this time? I am in the market for a hand held soon and finding it confusing as so my retailers are advertising radio models that appear to be not approved!
Kyle Communications Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 The IC-A15 IS the only approved model of any airband handheld in Australia. You can buy a radar detector too but its illegal to use...
WayneL Posted June 11, 2015 Author Posted June 11, 2015 Thanks Mark, any news on Icom bringing in other models thst will be approved here. Wayne
Admin Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 There are new models supposedly coming out next year. I have 5 of the 15's on back order which should arrive next month but it is also interesting to note that the issue isn't only with the hand helds but also the 210 and 110 which are also no longer available...its really hurting Icom
rgmwa Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Ian, do you have an idea of the cost of the 15's? rgmwa
Admin Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 Not at this stage but depending on my cost i will not be ripping people off and trying to keep them at the same price as before although the dollar isn't as good now as it was before.
Pearo Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 I just bought one in the US whilst I was there. ACMA (or what ever they are called now, they seem to change their name every few years) is a joke, and they rarely prosecute. Mine is not approved for use in Australia as far as I know. It was purchased as a) a backup and b) for listening to comms. Chances are it will never transmit a signal ever, but it will ride in my flight bag. [rant] In saying that, if you were to purchase one overseas and use it airborne, I doubt you will ever come to grief. If ACMA had any balls they would chase up those shitty radios that no one can understand when the pilot makes a broadcast. The whole system is a joke, and not allowing a US model to be used because there is some minor difference radio performance is just some idiot in a government job trying to justify their own position. The US is leaps and bounds ahead of Australia in all forms of aviation and Australia should be using them as a role model. [/rant] 7
mlpinaus Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 I think the problem relates to the radios operating essentially from DC to light in the spectrum. Certain of our happy citizens have made a good deal out out selling this spectrum off to the punters. The nations recent foray into Digital TV is one such recent example . I too carry a handheld portable in the flight bag\safety bag. It was selected because it has a die-cast case, can run on AA dry-cell s at reduced power, covers the air band, is small and light and robust. I cary a spare set of dry cells...... If I transmit I will probably be in the shit at the time and will happily pay any fine that my masters deem proper. The difficulty lies with a ramp check. Stay away from flyins.......
rgmwa Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 The difficulty lies with a ramp check. Stay away from flyins....... I can understand that using an unapproved radio is illegal, but is simply owning one and having it with you illegal? rgmwa
mlpinaus Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 No wish to find out. The spectrum management lot seem to have been revived lately. It is likely that the CASA gentlemen have a checklist for the approved type and act upon the ASMAs behalf. And they can seize stuff.
KRviator Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Owning it is not illegal. Using it is illegal. And, without a spectrum analyser or a bunch of other high-tech equipment they've no proof whatsoever that you used it unless they catch you in the act. While CASA does appoint Authorised Persons and Investigators under the Civil Aviation Act and the Civil Aviation Regulations, and under certain circumstances they can seize items, the use of a non-ACMA-approved radio does not fall under the CAA or CAR's, it falls under the radiotelecommunications act, over which they have zero jurisdiction. Ergo, CAsA staff cannot seize your airband portable, even if they suspect you've been using it. Also note that "Authorised Persons" appointed under CAR6 are not the same as "Investigators" appointed under Section 32AA - and it is only "Investigators" that can seize items. So if the ID card of the CAsA bloke says "AP under CAR6", they can't touch your portable - or anything else... The best they could try would be an offence under CAR83 regarding unauthorised transmission if not qualified, or maaaaybe CAR82 "Aircraft must be equipped with such radio system as CAsA approves" if such approval specifies ACMA-accepted gear. CIVIL AVIATION ACT 1988 - SECT 32AH Seizures related to civil aviation offences(1) This section applies if: (a) an investigator searches premises with the consent of the occupier, as mentioned in section 32ACA; or (b) an investigator searches premises in accordance with a warrant that has been issued under section 32AF or 32AG. (2) The investigator may seize a thing that he or she: (a) finds in the course of the search; and (b) believes on reasonable grounds to be evidential material; and © believes on reasonable grounds needs to be seized to prevent its concealment, loss or destruction, or its use in committing, continuing or repeating a civil aviation offence. 1
Pearo Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 I wont comment on legal issues, but if you were in the air with an approved radio, and an unapproved radio, ACMA would not be able to tell which one you used unless they saw you.. All they could tell is that you were transmitting a signal and then check you gear to make sure its legal. I would say chance of prosecution is almost nil, given that a paid owner of spectrum cannot get ACMA to investigate or prosecute someone who interferes with that part of the spectrum. ACMA is a joke. ACMA is more worried about content on TV than a rec pilot using an unapproved radio. 1
jetjr Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 similar experience for me too with ACMA Strong rules and claims, no action 1
spacesailor Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 I Had / Have a old handheld, I presume it was approved at one time, SO, how come it's not legal now ( shuuus) the flying club is still using the same model that I had. NOW have to use LIGHT signals to inform field tower of intentions !. AND laser light is illegal too. ( So is a written note wrapped around a brick) spacesailor 1
Kyle Communications Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 If your HH was approved when you got it then you can still keep using it. I am not aware of any directive that it isnt. Anyone who purchased a A110 or a A-210 or IC-A6AUS before the directive can keep using them
eightyknots Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 If your HH was approved when you got it then you can still keep using it. I am not aware of any directive that it isnt. Anyone who purchased a A110 or a A-210 or IC-A6AUS before the directive can keep using them How about if you buy a second hand one that the original owner purchased when it was still an approved transmitting device?
Kyle Communications Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 I would imagine if you had the original purchase invoice from the seller it would fit the criteria
WayneL Posted June 15, 2015 Author Posted June 15, 2015 .......and if the first/original owner who is still using the radio, no longer has proof of purchase.....?
Kyle Communications Posted June 15, 2015 Posted June 15, 2015 well you could go back to the manufacturer with the serial number and they could give you when it was sold to the dealer and if it was within the time frame then it would fit the bill
spacesailor Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 I do have the receipt for the radio ( original purchase invoice) but after many decades is illegible, try keeping a shopping docket for a few years. spacesailor
Hargraves Posted April 26, 2018 Posted April 26, 2018 G,day Kyle, just to be cheeky how about a radar detector in a light aircraft, see (hear) and avoid eh. Cheers Mick
Kyle Communications Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 This is pretty good its used in gliders...would be good for us too just needs a uptake FLARM - Wikipedia FLARM Technology | Traffic awareness and collision avoidance for General Aviation and UAVs
spacesailor Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 Had a quick look!, The price seems the be anything from $500 to $2500, I couldn't see if it was "self-contained" or needing a power-source, & hard wireing . I saw another one "in a pod & works on blue-tooth connectivity" Anything is better than nothing. spacesailor
Hargraves Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 IF a person was to have a completly sheilded military grade X and K multiband radar detector would it be capable of detecting RPT traffic at least do you think Kyle. Cheers Mick radar detector
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