motzartmerv Posted July 28, 2015 Posted July 28, 2015 I loved it!! Underpowered? Shouldn't bother am old school 2 stroker like you!! Lol 1
Oscar Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 I've flown in a Cherokee 6 - three up - into and out of Tullamarine (in IFR, 500 foot ceiling both trips) and several bush strips on the way there/from north of Echuca - and underpowered, it is not - unless a Qantas Check Captain as PIC adds thrust.. A pretty benign aircraft with no discernible bad habits, though you need a bootful of rudder on takeoff. Pilot error on this one.
David Isaac Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 I'm talking about a Piper Lance not a PA28-235. A lance is under powered, even with 300 GGs with 6 up on a short grass strip ... believe me, I with 5 others was close to death many years ago. Pull the power and they sink pretty fast. It is a strictly bitumen aircraft.
ianwells Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 "Pull the power and they sink pretty fast" It certainly did. 1 6
Guest ozzie Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Watched a few fully loaded taxiing out, almost dragging their bum. Look slow to accelerate and once airborne one wonders just how much fuel they have to burn off before they can get a decent positive rate of climb.
kaz3g Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Bunch of girls!!! Steady...there are girls who fly Austers! Kaz 1
David Isaac Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Steady...there are girls who fly Austers! Kaz Boom boom Kaz ..... 1
kaz3g Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Boom boom Kaz ..... Well, David, you and I both know there are those that do fly Austers and those that would if they had the skill! How's life been? I've still got that wind generator waiting for you to visit and collect it. Kaz 1
turboplanner Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 "Pull the power and they sink pretty fast"It certainly did. Boom boom Kaz ..... Is that what the wheels do when you slap it down? 3
David Isaac Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Well, David, you and I both know there are those that do fly Austers and those that would if they had the skill!How's life been? I've still got that wind generator waiting for you to visit and collect it. Kaz I haven't forgotten M'dear. We have just got to catch up somewhere. Somewhere and me being the problem. It will happen one day. LOL
kaz3g Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Is that what the wheels do when you slap it down? Nah Turbs...it's a taildragger, not a trike. You have to pilot it all the way to the parking area. Kaz 3
facthunter Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Austers can bounce badly on take -off. When I was first informed of that I thought it was a joke, but it isn't. Nev
David Isaac Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Ha ha ha Nev, they sure can, they don't need any reason to bounce, compliments of those big rubber bands.
kaz3g Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Austers can bounce badly on take -off. When I was first informed of that I thought it was a joke, but it isn't. Nev Patented self-launching flexible gear designed to get the aircraft airborne quickly when departing rough ground...true Kaz 1
facthunter Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Usually at a very low speed requiring flying in ground effect for a while to get the safe speed. Nev 2
David Isaac Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 In the original WWII Austers, the ground roll was only 150 metres. The bounce with that climb prop they all had was a very effective self launch on rough ground.
facthunter Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 It's not fun David, particularly with a crosswind. (which you didn't have with an all over field that was disappearing when I was 20) Nev 1
David Isaac Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Nev, it depends on what you call fun. Every time I flew the old bird I enjoyed the challenge especially in gusting cross winds where you had your hands and feet working in all directions. Sometimes when attempting to land, it seems like they just don't want to stop flying. 1
facthunter Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 That's because you are carrying too much speed. You should have trained at Newcastle (District Park) It fit's between Goninans and the drain and Turton road. Nev
David Isaac Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 I know where it used to be, it was gone before my time I think.
turboplanner Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 So how would you two go in a Cherokee 6 with all that weight momentum, that long nose high in the air, coming downwind at high groundspeed, into an upsloping runway, and having to make your judgements by looking out of the left window? All that when you have some of the best brakes in the business. Would you have landed downwind/upslope, or upwind downslope.
Guest Maj Millard Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 So how would you two go in a Cherokee 6 with all that weight momentum, that long nose high in the air, coming downwind at high groundspeed, into an upsloping runway, and having to make your judgements by looking out of the left window? All that when you have some of the best brakes in the business.Would you have landed downwind/upslope, or upwind downslope. From talking to people who witnessed the accident, the approach was abnormal and different to what most would use at that strip, and that the pilots abilities ( or lack thereof ) significantly contributed to the accident, which I'm am told could well have been a lot worse had they exited the strip nearby to where they actually did. Quick assistance by an observer also probabily saved the lives of the rear passengers once the aircraft was in the dam. I'm told there was not a straight panel on the aircraft once it was removed and one wing is badly damaged. The Lakeside strip does have an uphill slope but it is not regarded as much out of the ordinary by those who use it (including myself ) on regular occasions. WX conditions at the time were ideal and probabily didn't contribute. This was not a planned ditching in the dam...but a bad loss of control on final and landing ( stall...hard landing).
David Isaac Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 This was a Lance, not a Cherokee six. Lances need power on approach or they sink like a brick, they usually settle well, they certainly do NOT float unless you have way too much speed.
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