stuartmspencer Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 Hi All. The 2200 in my J160 has just had to be written off due to a sequence of failures which appear to relate to an accident prior to me taking ownership. I have been considering a few engine options, but it looks as though the simplest and most cost effective solution is to go with a replacement Jabiru of the latest specification. Although numbers and hours are still low with the latest iteration involving roller cam lifters, I would be very interested to hear of anyone who has had experience with the new model, and/or they have heard of any failures occurring. Has Jabiru ironed out the previous issues, many of which were prevalent in the early hydraulic versions (such as mine)? Many thanks, Stuart
stuartmspencer Posted August 19, 2015 Author Posted August 19, 2015 Hi All. The 2200 in my J160 has just had to be written off due to a sequence of failures which appear to relate to an accident prior to me taking ownership. I have been considering a few engine options, but it looks as though the simplest and most cost effective solution is to go with a replacement Jabiru of the latest specification. Although numbers and hours are still low with the latest iteration involving roller cam lifters, I would be very interested to hear of anyone who has had experience with the new model, and/or they have heard of any failures occurring. Has Jabiru ironed out the previous issues, many of which were prevalent in the early hydraulic versions (such as mine)? Many thanks, Stuart
Old Koreelah Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 Hi All. The 2200 in my J160 has just had to be written off due to a sequence of failures which appear to relate to an accident prior to me taking ownership. I have been considering a few engine options, but it looks as though the simplest and most cost effective solution is to go with a replacement Jabiru of the latest specification. Although numbers and hours are still low with the latest iteration involving roller cam lifters, I would be very interested to hear of anyone who has had experience with the new model, and/or they have heard of any failures occurring. Has Jabiru ironed out the previous issues, many of which were prevalent in the early hydraulic versions (such as mine)? Many thanks, Stuart Commiserations Stuart. I cannot help, but others may ask if your rego allows a CAMit engine. 1 2
Old Koreelah Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 Hi All. The 2200 in my J160 has just had to be written off due to a sequence of failures which appear to relate to an accident prior to me taking ownership. I have been considering a few engine options, but it looks as though the simplest and most cost effective solution is to go with a replacement Jabiru of the latest specification. Although numbers and hours are still low with the latest iteration involving roller cam lifters, I would be very interested to hear of anyone who has had experience with the new model, and/or they have heard of any failures occurring. Has Jabiru ironed out the previous issues, many of which were prevalent in the early hydraulic versions (such as mine)? Many thanks, Stuart Commiserations Stuart. I cannot help, but others may ask if your rego allows a CAMit engine.
dazza 38 Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 Sorry to hear Stuart. There are heaps of guys on this site who know the engines inside out and know how to get the best out of them. There a quite a few threads on the subject. 1 1 1
dazza 38 Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 Sorry to hear Stuart. There are heaps of guys on this site who know the engines inside out and know how to get the best out of them. There a quite a few threads on the subject.
Bruce Tuncks Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 Today was the first problem with my 2200 engine after 14 years. I was investigating whether it was really running a bit rough or if I was just imagining it. So I had this borrowed Dynavibe meter attached and was trying different weights on the spinner when it really began to run rough. So I did a leakdown, and after zero compression on no 4, I found a pushrod had fallen off the no 4 exhaust rocker. The last leakdown was about ten hours ago and all was fine. I think the no 4 exhaust valve had stuck open to allow this to happen. I'll let you guys know what I see when the head comes off. In the meantime, any comments will be welcome. 1
Bruce Tuncks Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 Today was the first problem with my 2200 engine after 14 years. I was investigating whether it was really running a bit rough or if I was just imagining it. So I had this borrowed Dynavibe meter attached and was trying different weights on the spinner when it really began to run rough. So I did a leakdown, and after zero compression on no 4, I found a pushrod had fallen off the no 4 exhaust rocker. The last leakdown was about ten hours ago and all was fine. I think the no 4 exhaust valve had stuck open to allow this to happen. I'll let you guys know what I see when the head comes off. In the meantime, any comments will be welcome.
Camel Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 Today was the first problem with my 2200 engine after 14 years.I was investigating whether it was really running a bit rough or if I was just imagining it. So I had this borrowed Dynavibe meter attached and was trying different weights on the spinner when it really began to run rough. So I did a leakdown, and after zero compression on no 4, I found a pushrod had fallen off the no 4 exhaust rocker. The last leakdown was about ten hours ago and all was fine. I think the no 4 exhaust valve had stuck open to allow this to happen. I'll let you guys know what I see when the head comes off. In the meantime, any comments will be welcome. Do you have oil pipes or hollow push rods for oil feed to rockers.
Camel Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 Today was the first problem with my 2200 engine after 14 years.I was investigating whether it was really running a bit rough or if I was just imagining it. So I had this borrowed Dynavibe meter attached and was trying different weights on the spinner when it really began to run rough. So I did a leakdown, and after zero compression on no 4, I found a pushrod had fallen off the no 4 exhaust rocker. The last leakdown was about ten hours ago and all was fine. I think the no 4 exhaust valve had stuck open to allow this to happen. I'll let you guys know what I see when the head comes off. In the meantime, any comments will be welcome. Do you have oil pipes or hollow push rods for oil feed to rockers.
Russ Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 "moreys"...........UCL........no sticking, no carbon, no rings jamming..........love it 1 1
Russ Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 "moreys"...........UCL........no sticking, no carbon, no rings jamming..........love it
stuartmspencer Posted August 20, 2015 Author Posted August 20, 2015 Thanks guys. I've been flying with the Jabiru 2200 for several years now so have quite a bit of experience with them. However my engines have been early hydraulics. I placed an order for a new 2200 so am hoping that they've ironed out the common issues. Fingers crossed!! But if anyone knows anyone with the latest engine, let me know. 1
stuartmspencer Posted August 20, 2015 Author Posted August 20, 2015 Thanks guys. I've been flying with the Jabiru 2200 for several years now so have quite a bit of experience with them. However my engines have been early hydraulics. I placed an order for a new 2200 so am hoping that they've ironed out the common issues. Fingers crossed!! But if anyone knows anyone with the latest engine, let me know.
facthunter Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 I don't know how many hours your engine has done, Bruce. The pushrod will come off if the valve jams. It might only be momentary but that is all it will take, usually. If an engine isn't right don't keep flying it. (any vibration any loss of power, investigate it straight away). I doubt I would go over 500 hours without removing the heads, myself as most don't know how to check valve guide wear in situ and it's a bit imprecise anyhow. It's not a big job. Nev
facthunter Posted August 20, 2015 Posted August 20, 2015 I don't know how many hours your engine has done, Bruce. The pushrod will come off if the valve jams. It might only be momentary but that is all it will take, usually. If an engine isn't right don't keep flying it. (any vibration any loss of power, investigate it straight away). I doubt I would go over 500 hours without removing the heads, myself as most don't know how to check valve guide wear in situ and it's a bit imprecise anyhow. It's not a big job. Nev
Bruce Tuncks Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Thanks for the comments guys. The engine has done just under 500 trouble-free hours but I reckon it should have been de-coked before now. It has solid pushrods with external oil-feed pipes. It actually has the early brass tee-pieces on the oil supply. I hope to have the head off later today and I'll take a picture or two. Rest assured it won't fly till its fixed properly. And maybe I'll start using Moreys or similar. The other compressions all went 80/74 ( or within a whisker of that) and I was surprised how even they were. I usually do the leakdown cold and the variation is bigger then but so far the softest has been ok. This time, the no. 4 ( the last one I did of course) had zero compression. I reckon that if it had happened in the air there would have been enough power to be ok, but I'm pleased it happened on the ground. 1
Bruce Tuncks Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Thanks for the comments guys. The engine has done just under 500 trouble-free hours but I reckon it should have been de-coked before now. It has solid pushrods with external oil-feed pipes. It actually has the early brass tee-pieces on the oil supply. I hope to have the head off later today and I'll take a picture or two. Rest assured it won't fly till its fixed properly. And maybe I'll start using Moreys or similar. The other compressions all went 80/74 ( or within a whisker of that) and I was surprised how even they were. I usually do the leakdown cold and the variation is bigger then but so far the softest has been ok. This time, the no. 4 ( the last one I did of course) had zero compression. I reckon that if it had happened in the air there would have been enough power to be ok, but I'm pleased it happened on the ground.
facthunter Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 One out of four and you have no hope of staying in the air. I had a cont 0-300 hydraulic lifter fail and it was going slowly down and that's one out of six. Nev 1
facthunter Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 One out of four and you have no hope of staying in the air. I had a cont 0-300 hydraulic lifter fail and it was going slowly down and that's one out of six. Nev
Bruce Tuncks Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Not what I expected.. the exhaust valve seat had come out and was only held there by the valve. No wonder the compression was zero. I wonder why it came out. The main force is combustion pressure on the valve face, and this force is keeping the seat in. There was no other obvious damage, and the engine never runs hot. It was cleaner inside than I thought.
Bruce Tuncks Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Not what I expected.. the exhaust valve seat had come out and was only held there by the valve. No wonder the compression was zero. I wonder why it came out. The main force is combustion pressure on the valve face, and this force is keeping the seat in. There was no other obvious damage, and the engine never runs hot. It was cleaner inside than I thought.
Kyle Communications Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Its a common problem Bruce. Same thing happened on a friends after only 200 hrs and a complete service
Kyle Communications Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 Its a common problem Bruce. Same thing happened on a friends after only 200 hrs and a complete service
facthunter Posted August 21, 2015 Posted August 21, 2015 You won't believe me, but I was going to suggest the seat but it's something you notice straight away, when you remove the head. When they are installed the interference is about .005" depending on the diameter. Aluminium expands more than the nickel iron alloy in the seats. If the fit isn't tight enough it falls out and usually jams crooked or breaks into pieces. Some fit them using liquid nitrogen to shrink the seat in aluminium alloy heads to ensure no damage when installing. Maybe it wasn't tight enough or been overheated. Nev
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