Guest disperse Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 140kt cruise out of 80hp........but you pay. so im after opinions on the "mcr-01 club" as the VLA version has a stall speed of 48kts so needs GA reg D YN’AÉRO MCR CLUB The MCR CLUB is a direct evolution of the MCR VLA. It is also a side by side two-seater airplane, it is designed around the same fuselage with an identical cockpit and engine installation. The MCR Club appears for the first time in 1998. Its construction and design was developed in partnership with an Aviation club for its own use. The MCR CLUB has been designed around high safety standards and wings efficiency, providing both extreme exibility and easy flight characteristics. Equipped with a 80 HP engine and a fix pitch propeller, it is the ideal airplane for intensive use in flight school operations or aviation clubs. With a 100 HP engine and a constant speed propeller, it becomes an efficient high performance airplane combining fast cruising speed and easy handle characteristics The MCR CLUB can be equipped with a choice of different power plants, but may also be fitted with other options such as : Ballistic Recovery System parachute Oil Pneumatic under carriage ( for intensive use) Extended range fuel tanks in the fuselage, (particularly for school or training operations) Toe operated Hydraulic brakes Fuselage footsteps The MCR CLUB is available in kit form in respect with the CNSK regulation (specific kit airworthiness certificate) or in the “experimental” category, depending on the registration country. GENERAL CARACTERISTICS Wing span ....................................................... 6,72 m Wing area ...................................................... 6,45 m² Aspect ratio ......................................................... 7,00 Cabin Width ........................................................ 1,12 Fuel capacity standard ..........................................80 l Extended range fuel tanks ............................. 2 X 40 l Empty weight (Basic version) ......................... 220 kg Equipped empty weight................................... 260 kg Max. Takeoff weight ....................................... 490 kg Wing loading................................................. 76 kg/m² ENGINE OPTIONS Propeller :Two, or three blades, fix pitch or constant speed Rotax 912 Engine.............................................. 80 hp Rotax 912S Engine ......................................... 100 hp Rotax 914 turbo charged Engine .................... 100 hp Jabiru 2200 Engine ........................................... 80 hp V Speed VSO (stall speed landing configuration) ....... 79 km/h..... 43kts Va (Maneuvering speed)............................. 202 km/h .....108kts Vne ( Never exceeding speed) ................... 300 km/h .....162kts Design maneuvering speed ..................... 333 km/h Vno (Normal Operation Speed) .................. 255 km/h..... 137kts G loading ....................................................... +4 /-2 g Vfe (Flaps extended speed)........................ 165 km/h..... 89kts PERFORMANCES ENGINE R 912 R 912S Power plant hp 80 100 Climb rate FL 0, CS. Prop (ft/min) 1450 1650 http://www.dynaero.com/lien/indexuk.htm Cruising 75%, FL 0 (km/h) 252 274 .....136kts 148kts Cruising 75%, FL 80 (km/h) 271 295...... 147kts 159kts Fuel consumption 75% (liters/h) 17.1 21.3 Range ,std Tanks 75% (km) 1 253 1 105 .....676nm 596nm Cruising 65% FL110 (km/h) 265 290 .....143kts 156kts Fuel consumption 65% (liters/h) 14.8 18.5 Range ,std Tanks 65% (km) 1 432 1 269 Takeoff roll; CS. Prop (m) 200 160 please let me know what you think. price wise you are looking at 51000 euro for a fast build kit with oleo suspension (hydrolic= 544kg mtow) and tuned exhaust for the 100hp rotax + all the engine mounts etc and cowl basicly you need the kit / a 912s / a prop / avionics and gauges / paint / and 5870 euro for the BRS 6500 aud freight + johny howards 10% cut + + + + + around 105000 to 110000 aud + eng prop etc
Guest disperse Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 SOME PICS see it even has a smile on its face... but I'm truly curious as to peoples opinion on this plane and whether or not you would buy it
Guest pelorus32 Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 140kt cruise out of 80hp........but you pay.so im after opinions on the "mcr-01 club" as the VLA version has a stall speed of 48kts so needs GA reg V Speed VSO (stall speed landing configuration) ....... 79 km/h please let me know what you think. price wise you are looking at 51000 euro for a fast build kit with oleo suspension (hydrolic= 544kg mtow) and tuned exhaust for the 100hp rotax + all the engine mounts etc and cowl basicly you need the kit / a 912s / a prop / avionics and gauges / paint / and 5870 euro for the BRS 6500 aud freight + johny howards 10% cut + + + + + around 105000 to 110000 aud + eng prop etc G'day Disperse, Stall speed in landing configuration is quoted as 79 km/hr which is 42 knots so that's fine for RA. In my view that kit price is too much. Consider that you may well then put in another 700-2,000 hours to build it and then add $24,000 for a Rotax 912 ULS and say $3,000 for a prop. That's $137,000 not counting your labour. You can buy a brand new Tecnam P92 Echo Super with a Dynon D100 for $140,000 GST inclusive and it will be 24- registered, not 19-. As an example another European low wing kit - all metal is Euro 18,900 for a 51% kit, plus Euro 960 for a prop and Euro 1500 for a firewall forward kit, Euro 1,000 for an interior and say Euro 2,000 for various other necessary bits and pieces. That leaves you at say Euro 24,500 or Australian $41,000 plus about $4,000 shipping and insurance so that's $45,000 plus GST = $50,000. Then add an engine at $24,000, paint gauges and other bits and pieces another $10,000 that's $84,000 and BTW you can have that one as an LSA at 600kg MTOW. Just examples to get you thinking. No doubt the Jab guys can give you prices here as well. My example kit won't do 140 knots but it will do 110 in cruise. What is that extra speed worth? Regards Mike
Yenn Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 providing both extreme exibility and easy flight. Just what I have always wanted! Why do they have to invent words and also to make it seem faster give speed ink.k.p.h. I would still prefer a Jodel
Ultralights Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 I have always loved the MCR01, a Micheal Colomban design, his first aircraft was the Microscopic Cri Cri! though sadly, the MCR01 is out of my price range :(
Mick Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Disperse, At an empty weight ( equiped ) of 260kg, which is pretty light, the MTOW of 490kg means you would only have a usable load of 230kg. Thats not very much for 2 people, fuel and baggage. Is that Mtow governed by the U/C, structural loading or stall speed?
Guest disperse Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Disperse,At an empty weight ( equiped ) of 260kg, which is pretty light, the MTOW of 490kg means you would only have a usable load of 230kg. Thats not very much for 2 people, fuel and baggage. Is that Mtow governed by the U/C, structural loading or stall speed? Thanks all for the feed back. in NZ (the land of future australian residents). it has been certified to 544kg mtow. but only with the hydrolic suspension upgrade (oleo). I'll be honest. I love this thing ... but can the price be justified? short take-off / high climb / heaps and heaps of speed / put in or out of a trailer in under 10min (1 person). and Im quessing, it flys fantastic. not to mention the looks
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