Glider wing for Cheetah/ Sierra

[Garry Morgan]

Plans now available for the new wing to make your Cheetah/ sierra into a touring motor glider. This new wing will give the aircraft a wing loading of 35-42 kg sq m which is a good loading for soaring the skys.

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Plans now available for the new wing to make your Cheetah/ sierra into a touring motor glider. This new wing will give the aircraft a wing loading of 35-42 kg sq m which is a good loading for soaring the skys.

Gary are you sure of those figures? That's the wing loading common to most rec aircraft.

 

 

[Ada Elle]

Gary are you sure of those figures? That's the wing loading common to most rec aircraft.

A Super Dimona has a wing loading, at MTOW, of about 40. Similar for Pipistrel Sinus.

 

J230 is about 60kg/sm fully loaded.

 

The other thing to consider is the aspect ratio of the wings, and the cleanness of the airframe.

 

 

[Garry Morgan]

Yes its a common glider loading for most soaring, and to get a bit of penetration. Our u/l aircraft are now about 60kg sq m

 

 

[Ada Elle]

Yes its a common glider loading for most soaring, and to get a bit of penetration. Our u/l aircraft are now about 60kg sq m

How long will the wings be, and what aspect ratio?

 

(Will you make them for the Joey too? I'd love to have something that was along the lines of the Pipistrel Virus SW 100...)

 

 

[Garry Morgan]

The wing will be 13m two piece, with a low wing you can see around you ,

 

 

[Nobody]

Won't the 13 wingspan limit the MTOW to still meet the definition of a motorglider in CAO 95.4?

 

powered sailplane means an aircraft that, if not for the attachment of an engine, would be a sailplane and that:

(a)meets the criterion of having a span loading (W/b2)equal to, or less than, 3 kg/m2 (where W is the maximum allowable weight in kilograms during flight, and b is the wingspan in metres)

[Garry Morgan]

The MTOW is the same as it is designed to the same standards. CAO 95.4 doesent matter under RAA rego. but it would still be ok for GFA with the wing loading. Look at how many motor gliders are on the RAA rego. cuts out a lot of silly paper work.

 

 

[Nobody]

Doesn't that mean you cant legally stop the engine and enjoy the "silence" as a glider?

 

http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/engine-off-operations.119664/

 

and section 3.02 here:

 

https://www.raa.asn.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Operations-Manual-Issue-7_Single-pages-with-new-CAO-95.55-Mar-15.pdf

 

If you made the wingspan 14.2m then you could have 600kg as the max takeoff weight and all would be good. At 13m you can only have 507kg max takeoff weight and still be considered a motor glider.

 

 

[kasper]

Doesn't that mean you cant legally stop the engine and enjoy the "silence" as a glider?http://www.recreationalflying.com/threads/engine-off-operations.119664/

 

and section 3.02 here:

 

https://www.raa.asn.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Operations-Manual-Issue-7_Single-pages-with-new-CAO-95.55-Mar-15.pdf

 

If you made the wingspan 14.2m then you could have 600kg as the max takeoff weight and all would be good. At 13m you can only have 507kg max takeoff weight and still be considered a motor glider.

OPs manual restricting engine off flight in 3.02(9) only applies to flight training not flight as a pilot on a certificate as the technical structure of the ops manual ONLY applies 3.02 to training (section 3 is training).

IF they wanted to apply an engine off limitation to Pilot Certificate holders in day-to-day operations then the restriction would and should appear in section 4 which is operations ... it does not so it does not apply to flight of RAA aircraft by pilot certificate holders where that flight is not a training flight.

 

The fact that the RAA THOUGHT that they were banning engine off flight for all except emergencies and in specified situations (per the thread and advisory - now closed as incorporated in Ops 7) is just an example of where RAA drafting has not achieved what they might have actually intended.

 

I will refrain from using the word incompetent in relation to an individual and just say RAA need to explain how it doesn't apply to the exec and staff on this one.

 

 

[Garry Morgan]

Good home work,We need more freedom.