LOVELY OLD AEROPLANE VISITED OTHERTON TODAY

[Phil Perry]

I'm not going to tell you what the type is, and no bloody cheating using G-Info. . . I can't be Arrissed to blot the Rego out using illustrator !

 

I'll tell you after the pictures :

 

 

Notice the interesting Intake arrangement - the collar with the pipe entering the cowling is an oil cooler.

 

Also notice the nipple on the front of the cyl head cap,. .this is for a grease gun to lube the tappets.

 

Also Also Also. . . ( 3rd Picture down ) notice the extreme lack of fuselage to Earth clearance, or lack thereof,. . . the "Diddy

 

" mainwheels don't really help with this. . .I had a look underneath and if there's 120mil of clearance there I'd be exaggerating !. . .not a good idea to land in corn stubble fields ! Rip the fabric.

 

 

Unusual "Spade" type stick grip, also notice the heel brakes on the left rudder set . . .fully loaded instrument panel of course, . this particular aircraft has no electrical system nor radio.

 

 

 

The New and the Not so new. . . with Airfield manager's Vans RV4 Tandem. . . ( I hate rich folks )

 

Well, can you tell what it is yet ?. . . . .

 

Aeronca C3. Built 1934 in the USA, engine is twin cylinder 4 stroke made by Aeronca, rated at 36 HP.

 

This particular example was imported into the UK in 1938, it was displayed for sale at the Selfridges Store in Central London for some time, and finally purchased in mid 1939. When WW2 broke out, and no civilian flying was permitted, it was placed into storage, and the same buyer did not fly it again for FORTY YEARS !.

 

He sold it to the current owner six years ago,shortly before he died. The current owner is based in Northern England, near to saddleworth Moor, and not far from the old Fylingdales US listening station. The owner was enroute to visit the widow of the previous owner, and called in to our airfield to refuel. The aircraft runs happily on unleaded mogas, but he does add some two stroke oil for total loss lubrication of the valves.

 

The aircraft cruises at 60 Knots, and uses, on average, between 1.5 and 2 gallons per hour. ( *Note * the owner did not say whether these gallons were US or English, but that it also had a 7 gal total capacity )

 

The owner also states that the forward visibility in flight is abysmal, and usually opens the side window to see where he is going. . .( ! ) The man is truly "Old School" ie, no sign of a GPS, just maps and a compass, which looks as if it was an "Add-On" riveted to the panel on a bracket ( see cockpit pic )

 

If you are wondering where the London Airpark Hanworth is,. . .it's a few hundred metres away from Heathrow airport, but now it's just a PARK, . . . ! This was where the aeroplane was based shortly before WW2.

 

Following close interrogation by our nosey bunch of flying members, he admitted that he also owned a Tiger Moth. . . . My mate "Simon the Savannah" said " I'll bet you drive a Model T Ford then. . .! "

 

He replied,. . .er,. . no, actually, I drive an Alvis Firefly. . . " dropped jaws all around !

 

Glad to see there are still some characters flying pieces of history in this digiplastic modern age. . . .

 

There is another example of this type at Breighton Yorkshire, which is a C3 - 100. ( I have not looked into the specs ) and I do not know if there are any more than two of these on the UK register.

 

Phil

 

 

 

 

 

 

[old man emu]

Bad form, Phil!!!!!

 

You should have a least let us post some guesses before identifying it. Of course, I knew it was an Air Knocker. Buried somewhere amongst my accumulated essential reference material (read: 'junk') I've still got an RC magazine with build plans and another with a history of the airplane.

 

On close inspection, Australians will recognise the influence this airplane had on the creation of the Aeroplane Jelly character.

 

I wonder if he calls her Gladys?

 

OME

 

 

[SDQDI]

Looks like it was inspired by a locust plague:thumb up: Paint some eyes on it and it would look exactly like one.

 

 

[DGL Fox]

Yes of course the aeroplane jelly plane....I was trying to work out why it looked familiar... Looking out the window to see where you are flying must be a bit frightening sometimes especially landing it.

 

David

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Yes of course the aeroplane jelly plane....I was trying to work out why it looked familiar... Looking out the window to see where you are flying must be a bit frightening sometimes especially landing it.David

Yes David,. . .Paul, the owner, said the same thing,. . .the forward view at the normal level flight angle is bllody horrendously not very good ! ! ! !

 

He's promised me a "Go" in it another time, he was in a hurry today as he'd been fogged in for over thre hours and had to get to the SOuth of England, and then back to Yorkshire before dark, which is,. . .at present not much after 1900 hrs. . . winter is coming oooooooh.

 

 

[G-TOO]

Yes David,. . .Paul, the owner, said the same thing,. . .the forward view at the normal level flight angle is bllody horrendously not very good ! ! ! !He's promised me a "Go" in it another time, he was in a hurry today as he'd been fogged in for over thre hours and had to get to the SOuth of England, and then back to Yorkshire before dark, which is,. . .at present not much after 1900 hrs. . . winter is coming oooooooh.

What a sweet old girl,glad she's still flying great pictures too.

 

 

[farri]

the forward view at the normal level flight angle is bllody horrendously not very good ! ! ! !.

....Camera on the king post,display on the dash panel!!!!!!!........

 

Frank.

 

 

[facthunter]

Very nice thing. The engine was also produced under licence by JAP at Tottenham. Nev

 

 

[old man emu]

....Camera on the king post,display on the dash panel!!!!!!!........:wink:Frank.

Philistine!

 

OME

 

 

[Geoff13]

Looks like a Pregnant Goldfish.

 

 

[old man emu]

See what Phil saw:

 

 

OME

 

 

[old man emu]

Check out Youtube for the title "Flying for Fun" and watch the several parts of the story. Very British, what!

 

 

It would be good to get a complete version.

 

OME

 

 

[Garfly]

Yep, Phil, you've got some weird types back there in the old country.

 

Know anything about this one?

 

I spotted it parked at Dunkeswell Airfield in Devon a couple of years ago.

 

 

 

 

[red750]

Garfly wrote:

 

 

 

Know anything about this one?

 

I spotted it parked at Dunkeswell Airfield in Devon a couple of years ago.

 

That's a Holman Bristol type 2000. From Air Britain Photographic Images: "Built by R.G.Holman in 2003 but 5 years later believed not yet flown."

 

www.airport-data.com/aircraft/G-CCGP.html

 

 

[dazza 38]

I'm not going to tell you what the type is, and no bloody cheating using G-Info. . . I can't be Arrissed to blot the Rego out using illustrator !I'll tell you after the pictures :

 

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Notice the interesting Intake arrangement - the collar with the pipe entering the cowling is an oil cooler.

 

Also notice the nipple on the front of the cyl head cap,. .this is for a grease gun to lube the tappets.

 

Also Also Also. . . ( 3rd Picture down ) notice the extreme lack of fuselage to Earth clearance, or lack thereof,. . . the "Diddy

 

" mainwheels don't really help with this. . .I had a look underneath and if there's 120mil of clearance there I'd be exaggerating !. . .not a good idea to land in corn stubble fields ! Rip the fabric.

 

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Unusual "Spade" type stick grip, also notice the heel brakes on the left rudder set . . .fully loaded instrument panel of course, . this particular aircraft has no electrical system nor radio.

 

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The New and the Not so new. . . with Airfield manager's Vans RV4 Tandem. . . ( I hate rich folks )

 

Well, can you tell what it is yet ?. . . . .

 

Aeronca C3. Built 1934 in the USA, engine is twin cylinder 4 stroke made by Aeronca, rated at 36 HP.

 

This particular example was imported into the UK in 1938, it was displayed for sale at the Selfridges Store in Central London for some time, and finally purchased in mid 1939. When WW2 broke out, and no civilian flying was permitted, it was placed into storage, and the same buyer did not fly it again for FORTY YEARS !.

 

He sold it to the current owner six years ago,shortly before he died. The current owner is based in Northern England, near to saddleworth Moor, and not far from the old Fylingdales US listening station. The owner was enroute to visit the widow of the previous owner, and called in to our airfield to refuel. The aircraft runs happily on unleaded mogas, but he does add some two stroke oil for total loss lubrication of the valves.

 

The aircraft cruises at 60 Knots, and uses, on average, between 1.5 and 2 gallons per hour. ( *Note * the owner did not say whether these gallons were US or English, but that it also had a 7 gal total capacity )

 

The owner also states that the forward visibility in flight is abysmal, and usually opens the side window to see where he is going. . .( ! ) The man is truly "Old School" ie, no sign of a GPS, just maps and a compass, which looks as if it was an "Add-On" riveted to the panel on a bracket ( see cockpit pic )

 

If you are wondering where the London Airpark Hanworth is,. . .it's a few hundred metres away from Heathrow airport, but now it's just a PARK, . . . ! This was where the aeroplane was based shortly before WW2.

 

Following close interrogation by our nosey bunch of flying members, he admitted that he also owned a Tiger Moth. . . . My mate "Simon the Savannah" said " I'll bet you drive a Model T Ford then. . .! "

 

He replied,. . .er,. . no, actually, I drive an Alvis Firefly. . . " dropped jaws all around !

 

Glad to see there are still some characters flying pieces of history in this digiplastic modern age. . . .

 

There is another example of this type at Breighton Yorkshire, which is a C3 - 100. ( I have not looked into the specs ) and I do not know if there are any more than two of these on the UK register.

 

Phil

It looks like it's been taxied into a brick wall.

 

 

[DGL Fox]

I watched Pt 1 -10 it was a good story...

 

David

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Very nice thing. The engine was also produced under licence by JAP at Tottenham. Nev

Yes Nev, the owner mentioned that, in fct there is a Luton Minor with the same engine, at a private strip not far away from us, regrettably though, it doesn't often fly. . .

 

 

[Phil Perry]

See what Phil saw:

Thanks for that OME Sir,. . .I shared that on Fizzogbook earlier, thought it was a bit overkill to stick it into the original post AS WELL ! Nice one.

 

Phil

 

 

[Phil Perry]

Yep, Phil, you've got some weird types back there in the old country.Know anything about this one?

I spotted it parked at Dunkeswell Airfield in Devon a couple of years ago.

 

Garfly wrote: 

 

Know anything about this one?

 

I spotted it parked at Dunkeswell Airfield in Devon a couple of years ago.

 

That's a Holman Bristol type 2000. From Air Britain Photographic Images: "Built by R.G.Holman in 2003 but 5 years later believed not yet flown."

 

www.airport-data.com/aircraft/G-CCGP.html

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Hi guys,. . .I know a flying school Husband / Wife team based near there,. . . I'll ask them.

 

Phil.

 

 

[kaz3g]

I was up at Cowra yesterday for the Antiquers Spring Flyin and old mate was there (first to arrive as usual) in his Aeronca Champ.

 

He has had that aeroplane for nearly 50 years. Flew it in South Africa and left it under wraps when he returned to Oz until he could get it out of the country. Something about Kruger Rands...

 

I still have to download my photos.

 

Kaz

 

 

[old man emu]

Here are some old cinema ads for Aeroplane Jelly featuring Bertie:

 

http://aso.gov.au/titles/ads/aeroplane-jelly-bertie/clip1/

 

http://www.aeroplanejelly.com.au/About/Advertising/Bertie-the-Jet-Cinema-Advertisement-1950s.aspx

 

http://alldownunder.com/australian-food/aeroplane-jelly.htm

 

My memory failed me when I said that Bertie's appearance was influenced by the Aeronca C3. He is a bit different, but to audiences of the day, all small planes looked the same, a condition well-known to news reporters nowadays who think every light plane is a Cessna!

 

Bertie the Jet was produced in the 1950's. Can you identify the airplane that he is based on? Hint: The RAAF accepted the type in 1952 and used it operationally well into the end of the 1970s.

 

OME

 

 

[facthunter]

English Electric Canberra? Nev

 

 

[facthunter]

Gloster Meteor? Nev

 

 

[Old Koreelah]

Garfly wrote: 

 

Know anything about this one?

 

I spotted it parked at Dunkeswell Airfield in Devon a couple of years ago.

 

That's a Holman Bristol type 2000. From Air Britain Photographic Images: "Built by R.G.Holman in 2003 but 5 years later believed not yet flown."

 

www.airport-data.com/aircraft/G-CCGP.html

Wow! That's quite similar to one of my back-of-the-envelope designs, inspired by a tunnel-wing experiment yonks ago. Love to see how well it works.

 

 

[Garfly]

Yeah, from what Red turned up it seems that she might never have flown - what a pity - and from the look of it now, maybe never will.

 

(Caution - Segue ahead! ;-)

 

While we're on the subject of great British aircraft (in spite of being "ugly as a box of frogs" ) herewith, the amazing story of the Avro Shackleton - a younger sibling of the Manchester / Lancaster bombers and, unbelievably, still on active service with the RAF into the 1990's.

 

(Among other fascinating things, we learn from the film why it's sometimes necessary to divert around a baked-bean build-up and what's the point of putting counter rotating props on each of its four RR donks.)